welcome to the (healthy) world of rantanplan.
The act of griding them up completely ignores the opportunity cost of doing something more profitable and just buying them off contract or just buying the full ship off market or contract.
But whatever floats your boat.
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You have any idea what an a-type eanm or shield hardener is worth? There is literally no activity a solo can do that has more potential profit. The bpc is icing on the cake. Well, it was.
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Ya, deadspace mods are my bread and butter. This indy change doesnt affect that. Building the odd Phantasm/Cynabal/etc was, as you say, icing on the cake.
The reason i posted earlier really had to with A: those hulls get killed daily and B: Likely donât now get built at a rate that matches their death rate. I understand CCPâs stance that we all have too much â â â â , but dangâŠ
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then you are complaining for the sake of complaining.
If only that were the case. See, I could since the begging of eve, build these ships. Now I canât. I can pay for them, and their transport to somewhere useful for far less than it would cost to build them even counting my bpc, base mins, and time involved as free. Its still double, at minimum, more than what it was, and the sell volume for new components doesnât even come close to covering the ships being sold. This is either old stock, or these builders are hoarding the components for themselves.
This isnât just a me problem. Its an everyone problem.
Before these ships came from all over. Nobody could monopolize their production due to the relative ease with which they were made. Once you were holding the bpc that is, which anyone can get. The ones i made got flown, by me. Others made one here or there and sold them for good money, without having (or even just access to) a moon mining empire, doing or buying pi materials, and gas. My objective has always been to restore the abilities we all had before this travesty was perpetrated. Im not delusional though, I have zero expectation that theyâll fix this colossal mistake. Even though, imo, they absolutely should roll it back.
Weâre 3 weeks in now, its really proving to have been a well planned and executed change. Maybe ntopios, in his scarily accurate depiction of reality through sarcasm, has this right. Open your wallets far enough and you can still do the things you used to. Otherwise get â â â â â â . Because thats the choice. Well, you could always just do something else. Like play rust.
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BTW the requirement for BPOs I need was really underestimated, actually I need like 60 life support + auto integrity BPOs so ±9B. I only have 16 ATM, being researched (only 1 of each is 10/20 
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Of course I also need the other bpos, but less. Still at 1.5B a bpo, itâs difficult to get everything and still buy skins.
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What has that to do with what we were talking about: aquiring ship hulls? Except making it take even longer if you aquire these too?
They come from the same place. Thatâs why.
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And arent the same things. I tell you that grinding LP is the worst way to get a ship, and you tell me âWhat about modulesâ and Im like, we arent talking about modules and you are like âBut you buy them in the same shopâ
You dont see how thats nothing to do with the most efficient way to get ships, thats just you choosing to do it the hard way, and complaining when it gets harder vOv
Id have thought a masochist would enjoy more obstruction to their goals.
The now useless bpcs literally drop in the sites. Same as they have forever. You donât buy them at all. Run the sites for money modules, build the ships for fun in literally any structure or station with basic industry enabled. There was no buying or hauling of anything involved. Now weâre talking about 9b in â â â â â â â bpos, moon goo, the reactions, gas, and pi derived products all just to do what we could just do before.
Letâs set aside that you need access to low/null refinery to do the reactions for the moment. Letâs even throw out that one toon simply cannot do all of this efficiently. How much time, total, should a vigilant cost? Someone has to mine the goo, do the pi, and huff the gas. Then someone has to do the reactions, and build the other shĂŹt. Then you list/sell/buy the shĂŹt. Now you have to haul the shĂŹt somewhere useful. So again, how many actual man hours should go into a single fĂčcking cruiser hull? How much is too much?
If it were just âharderâ it would be ok, but its prohibitive. I literally cannot do what I could before, and neither can anyone else. That is a problem.
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I try to be balanced and see things from everyoneâs perspective, including CCPâs. Ranarâs last sentence sums up the gist of it as i see it. I also am prohibited from building these hulls and and imagine that most everyone is in the same boat aside from the mega wealthy empire people. Iâm not going to complain about lost personal income from no longer being able to build and sell faction ships as i used to (averaging one a day or so in the past). But i am alarmed that once current market stocks of these hulls are exhausted or the prices driven to place people will no longer goâŠthat these ships will become an endangered species on the verge of extinction.
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Yes, the boring ass grind.
Or just buy em off cheap contracts.
You know, you obviously found pleasure in pressing a button to make bacon. I feel for you that your fun has been taken away, but you do know you can do that with T1 ships still.
Unless it wasnt about the fun of building them after all and youve just been stringing me along.
Dude, whatever the case, like I say, sure CCP took your fun away, but it doesnt mean the stockpiles of ships I picked up when they were cheap as dirt arent any use to you or me. HEck if you want one, just say, I probably have a ship or two laying around Ill never get round to taking to market because I bought that many when these ships were extremely cheap before this change vOv
The change sucks, but for those of us not into grinding, its been a godsend.
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The grind for isk in this way isnt really that strenuous and the BPCâs for faction hulls that sometimes drop from them are just a side perk of running a DED site (weâre not talking about missions, which are an awful grind that take ages to get anywhere). The sites heâs talking about can drop up to 1-2 billion isk, sometimes in as little as 15mins of PVE combat, of which a cheap BPC for an Ashimmu or somesuch is just a small and mostly insignificant piece of it. Not sure you guys are talking about the same thingâŠ
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Maybe not, but that sounds like a real money fountain in that case, not something done for fun but easy profit? Do you not think it should have been nerfed?
ANYWAY worth mentioning, I was in a similar place to you guys when CCP took my Structure Trading away thanks to Cores. So I do have at least some sympathy. But thereâs very little fun in EvE as it is, its mostly just about making isk, and this change has made it easier for me, heck even easier than my Structure Trading Racket was, so I dunno, maybe CCP hasnt a clue what its doing.
TBH Im not sure why I would have thought any other way. Hmmm.
Dang you guys have made me think about this again.
Itâs fun for me, and thereâs a lot that goes into learning how to do it successfully. Navigating hostile space and avoiding Curse/Lachesis/Arazus and stuff to complete a site takes some experience and skill. Learning the sites themselves and improving your fit and time efficiency in them takes experience and testing. And any screwups to pvp or getting blapped by rats in the site generally means the loss of a really nice ship. So i like those challenges and have learned over time how to maximize my gains and minimize my risks. The RNG loot that drops at the end is fun tooâŠsometimes instead of 1.5 billion, you get just 100mil instead, lol, for risking a ship worth +2 billion.
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Man, its almost like gambling. When you run a sansha 6/10 you get the a-type eanm on the table. You could end up with a hold full for true sansha â â â â , the a-type, and a phantasm bpc⊠or just a box of rocks.
*bpc is worthless now though.
I just dont find combat in EvE intersting then I guess vOv
It takes no room, can be moved easily. but sure give them for free, a lot of people would take them and build them when the prices are settled.
Nah, ill just hang on to them until this is unfĂčcked. Alternatively I can just let them rot in space. Weâve already covered that im not selling my bpcs. Same as I didnt sell my hulls.
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