Advice For Maelstrom Fit

I Am planning to do Lv4 SOE missions in the near future and I have a couple of questions about my maelstrom fit which I will pair with a logistics alt. Maelstrom #1 is more buffer-y with 106k Effective Hitpoints and 21k HP on the Shield. Maelstrom #2 has better resists, 88k Effective Hitpoints and 13k on the shields. Now many may think at first Maelstrom 1 Is better but it gets good here. I did say I will have a logistics alt on, so that accounted for, the logi will be able to rep the lower EHP higher resist fit faster because it has less actual HP on the shields but the better resists compensate for the loss of buffer. Anyways, you guys tell me what you think. Do your math and whatnot to figure out what has the best tank, edits to the already existing fits are acceptable.

My tanking skills will only get better over time, they currently suck so that’s why my numbers may be low.

[Maelstrom, Buffer]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II

1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5
Bouncer I x3

Republic Fleet Proton L x1660
Republic Fleet EMP L x1500
Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L x1500
Republic Fleet Fusion L x1660
Republic Fleet Nuclear L x1500
Nanite Repair Paste x100
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x1500

OR

[Maelstrom, Resists]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II

1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Republic Fleet Proton L x1820
Republic Fleet EMP L x1500
Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L x1500
Republic Fleet Fusion L x1660
Republic Fleet Nuclear L x1500
Nanite Repair Paste x100
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x1500

using a logistics alt I’d go resists and tracking comps. Remote reps give a lot of shield, one or two should tank almost all missions with the double invlun. Might need to swap the tracking enhancer for a reactor control depending on your skills. And then a machariel will do it even better, can use the utility high to make a cap chain with the logi and that will allow for just plain silly fits.

[Maelstrom, 1400mm arty pve logi]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm ‘Scout’ Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x3

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I understand the Cap Chain idea, but is it similar to the Osprey where you can create energy out of nothing with a cap chain. Because I am using a scythe as my logi. (I believe that is what it’s called) What ever the T1 Minmatar logi is, but I do not think it is bonused to remote cap transfer.
Thanks for your imput.

yea the scythe doesn’t get the cap transfer bonus and is a bit more focused on being cap independent.

My one worry with using a scythe would be I’m not sure how well it will tank. it has a pretty small sig and good AB speed so it should be able to speed tank and reduce incoming damage by a lot as long as it doesn’t get webbed. Might want to bring some shield transfer drones on the battleship to help out the logi’s tank.

I would add those drones into the Scythe’s drone bay because it is bonused for Shield Repping drones(you can rep yourself with drones right?). But yes I am quite worried about the scythe getting targeted and dying. Though it may not be an issue as I am doing my missions in Simela most likely against Blood Raider Cov who only use tracking disruptors and NOS/NEUT. I do believe though I will be able to stay around and extra 20 km from the battle with the range of the reppers and I don’t think that I would put repper drones in the bay of the maelstrom instead I would only put Warrior II’s to deal with the only things that would be able to catch the Scythe.

Ah yes, and can you tell me what skills you have relating to the improvement of Power Grid because I’ve looked through my skills (lacking the Power Grid Management V) did the math and your fit is too PG intensive even when I added in Power Grid Management V.

You are probably lacking the relevant levels of Advanced Weapons Upgrades each rank of which lowers weapon power grid needs by 2%.

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Thank you, will look into that.

also projectile rigging as the drawback of fitting the damage rig is increased PG on the guns.

I’m not sure you can get the scythe’s drones to rep the scythe, Maybe if you assign them to the mael but that gets complicated, and may have concord implications, I’ve never tried it.

I actually recently got both alts on so see exactly how much a Navitas armor repper would rep my Venture just to get an idea of how it worked. Did the experiment in Hi-Sec With no implications. I used cheap ships because of the possibility of what you stated above with Concord coming to crash the party.

with ordinary remote reps concord is very unlikely. If your logi’s safety is green the game will stop repping if the target goes criminal. And as long as your dps ship’s safety isn’t red it shouldn’t be able to do anything that would get it flagged.

years ago some players started remote repping rats so the player shooting them couldn’t kill them. CCP then added a criminal flag for repping rats. and I think it a more recent update they completely blocked remote reps on rats.

what I’m not sure about is logistic drones, I would guess they can’t be activated on rats, there may be a quirk in their behavior although I would guess at this point probably not.

Fit a micro jump drive and you won’t need logi or heck won’t really need a tank and you could use 2 maelstroms instead

rats have the “deactivate remote assistance” flag.

MJD is an omega only item Correct? If so I cannot use it. :confused:

I could use the structure version, but an item with a 60 second deploy time has no practical use inside of missions.

Wasn’t talking about repping the rats, read more closely…

The post I was replying to was, read more closely.

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By the time I started using this hull my fitting skills were maxed out. That said these active tank fits served me well running L4 missions. Also these fits pre-date micro jump drives.

Maelstrom - Artillery
Low
Gyrostabilizer II, Power Diagnostic System II x3, Tracking Enhancer II
Medium
Cap Recharger II, Adaptive Invulnerability Field II, Explosive Deflection Field II, Kinetic Deflection Field II, 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner, X-Large Shield Booster II
High
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II x7
Rigs
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I x2, Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Maelstrom - Autocannon
Low
Power Diagnostic System II x 3, Tracking Enhancer II x 2
Medium
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II x 2, EM Ward Field II, 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner, X-Large Shield Booster II, Shield Boost Amplifier II
High
800mm Repeating Cannon II x 7
Rigs
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I x2, Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Add drones to taste. The damage specific hardeners on the artillery fit are, of course, tailored for the expected opposition. The afterburner would be running more or less all the time. The booster would come on when I got to half to three quarter shields left and then be turned off once they had been restored. With the rigs that meant I usually had enough cap to spare, excepting close encounters with Blood Raiders.

Ah yes I apologize didn’t realize you were responding to plankton…

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