Allow us AGAIN to run CRAB Beacons with Diamond Rats - You nerfed it by not knowing it at all

Council Of Stellar Management Assembly Hall
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Since you can´t deploy it near an Asteroid, i am unable to deploy a CRAB Beacon on Diamond Rats.
Diamond rats also don´t get triggered if you warp neutral ship within 10000km on the same grid.

The inital nerf was to prevent Rorqs to run CRABS.

But you killed a niche play style of Diamond rats without anybody even consider it.
Why have Diamond Rats in the first way if you kill the play style around it?

They only spawn in Belts… or Mining Anoms…
You didn´t made them spawn anywhere else… either.

Could you please fix this so this is a valid option again.

Thank you very much.

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What exactly is the niche play style that got nerfed?

Do you mean people ran CRABeacons on grid with diamond rats they are friendly with in order to have NPCs defend their capital ship?

Did that happen?

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Yes.

Same as people run CRAB from Wormholes and if ■■■■ hits the fan you jump back and close the hole.
(Which didn´t got nerfed, i am wondering why this was so???)

You lure people on GRID either via a Cyno and a bubble or you give them something more juice like a CRAB Beacon.. it just need to be in the overview and attract people.

And you will wonder how many players have no clue about the Diamonds.

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smells like abuse -_-

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Anything concerning Diamond Rats is being and has been abused. Diamond Rats to “guard” ESS back then, Diamond Rats to kill freighters in high sec. These rats are abuse galore.

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What would be the ‘fix’ to this though?

To disallow Rorquals from activating and running CRABs?

Allowing players to run CRABs next to asteroids for this one niche interaction in case your capital character has positive standings to the local diamond rats opens up a much more easily abused use-case of running CRABs while benefiting from the massive defensive boost of PANIC.

Surely reintroducing that strategy is not your intention?

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They can´t… you started them with a DREAD and warp the DREAD off and the Rorqs take over.

I make it simple.. You can´t warp a RORQ to a CRAB.
If a rorq is on grid with a CRAB you can´t deploy it.

Fixed.

This also fixes the RORQ as Emergency Response platform.

And then we buff the Rorq again as meaningfull powerhouse for mining Operation with an POINT DEFENSE SYSTEM against Kikis… but this is another story.

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You can simple Farm Standing.
Also most of Nullsec people will not grind standings for the NPC they shooting.

Don´t hate player.. hate the Game.

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This would be the first game mechanic that bans a specific ship from warping to a grid.

How would that work in practice? And what kind of logical reason would there be for a ship not to be able to warp somewhere?

What happens if someone starts a CRAB beacon on grid with the keepstar, can a Rorqual now not warp back and dock up in the Keep?

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what happens if someone starts a beacon whilst a rorq is already in warp to the grid?

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That was CCP always does if they can´t fix it.
We declare it as an Exploit.

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits

Do you see how long this list is?
One more point on the list doesn´t make the pig to explode.

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Hmm we can gate it… like FW, ESS etc.
There are lot of options.

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Willingly introducing bad mechanics that require exploit notifications because the design is flawed from the start does not sound like a good solution to me though.

Wouldn’t it be easier, clearer and less abusable to ban CRAB beacons from being placed anywhere near asteroids?

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I dunno, banning a rorq pilot for exploiting because he warped to an asteroid belt, and someone drops a beacon he is unaware of sounds amazing content

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It is not my fault they adding half cooked ideas into the game.
The Carrier beacon can´t be run with a carrier.
People complaint about the Panic button on the Rorq with CRABS to be OP.

They already introduced bad mechanics and tried to fix it.

I am here to complain which one valid advanced very specifi gamestyle got bonked out because of their fixing.

You need to find Diamond Rats… they spwan RNG.

And we ignoring the point with the Diamond rats?!

Exactly.. you mine on CRAB beacon… ROFL do you even play this game?

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90% of this subforum is you starting topics with half cooked ideas

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Could you please enlight me where its half cooked?
I am waiting for the response.

Also can you show me the Forum post of the +90 Orgs which propposed the ANSI change to CSM via this forum?
I am waiting for the response.

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Yes, I think this niche interaction can stay removed if that means simple straightforward intuitive and non-exploitable mechanics.

Neither choice is ideal but the current situation clearly is the better choice versus what you suggested.

You can still mine the asteroid belt with diamond rats around if you want to make use of this interaction, even in a Rorqual. I don’t see it as a big loss that CRAB cannot be done there too to do pretty much the same thing.

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Maybe, i want a solution which disallow Rorqs doing Crabs on Astroids.
So you could add an feature which disallow the activation of the “DONT TOUCH ME” module when you are close to a CRAB Beacon + You can´t deploy a CRAB when a RORQ is on grid to avoid abuse this by hunters (which would mean they need to field a Capital and sit 5 min linked on grid)

I still they lowballed the solution and they could do better.

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Simple fix: rorqual cannot activate PANIC module within 1000km of active CRAB beacons.

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