Arbitrator L3 mission fit

hi, I am planning to try an arbitrator and run L3-L4 mission with a Tengu. this is my fit, what do you think about it? anything I should change/improve? the cost is like 15M

[Arbitrator, L2 mission]
Damage Control I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Compact Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Medium ACM Compact Armor Repairer

10MN Afterburner I
Medium Cap Battery I
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I

Hobgoblin I x5
Hammerhead I x5

Standard M x2

I only used arbitrators when was doing level 3, but it looks like the fit would work fine with your other boat.
It was the arbitrator that dragged me into playing eve, was idly wandering the internet one night and came across this article: https://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/12/kill-of-week-arbitrator.html
Too bad the blog is static, and good luck.

Ok, at the ‘pyfa’ computer now, here’s the 3 used for lvl 3’s and they actually all worked about the same for me:

[Arbitrator, Santa Barbara]

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Prototype ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Small I-ax Enduring Remote Armor Repairer
Salvager I

Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer I

Acolyte I x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x2
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x1
Salvage Drone I x2
Warrior II x5

Nova Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x200
Inferno Light Missile x600
Mjolnir Light Missile x600
Nova Light Missile x600
Scourge Light Missile x600

[Arbitrator, Long John]

Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
DDO Scoped Tracking Disruptor I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
‘Arbalest’ Heavy Missile Launcher, Nova Heavy Missile
‘Arbalest’ Heavy Missile Launcher, Nova Heavy Missile
‘Arbalest’ Heavy Missile Launcher, Nova Heavy Missile

Medium Explosive Armor Reinforcer I
Medium Kinetic Armor Reinforcer I
Medium Drone Speed Augmentor I

Hornet EC-300 x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x3
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x2
Salvage Drone I x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

Radio S x1
Nova Heavy Missile x2542
Mjolnir Light Missile x100
Depleted Uranium S x100
Nuclear S x100
Proton S x100
Optimal Range Disruption Script x1
Tracking Speed Disruption Script x1
Small Radiative Scoped Remote Capacitor Transmitter x1

[Arbitrator, Hannah B.]

Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Reactive Armor Hardener
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
C3-A ‘Hivaa Saitsuo’ Ballistic Control System

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Baker Nunn Enduring Tracking Disruptor I
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery

Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Explosive Armor Reinforcer II
Medium Kinetic Armor Reinforcer II
Medium Thermal Armor Reinforcer I

Acolyte II x5
Federation Navy Hammerhead x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet II x5
Warrior II x5

Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x159
Inferno Light Missile x6984
Mjolnir Light Missile x1400
Nova Light Missile x8338
Scourge Light Missile x1772
Optimal Range Disruption Script x1
Tracking Speed Disruption Script x1

I would use the rig slots for capacitor controls and replace the midslot cap stuff with an omnidirectional tracking link with tracking speed script and a drone navigation computer. I might also replace the energized membrane with a third drone damage amplifier. I would check the ship’s target locking range and see if the second drone link augmentor is of any use.

A cruiser is maybe ok in a lvl3 with someone else, but not sure I’d take it into lvl4s. A cruiser is just slow and big enough it might get pounded some pretty good.

Missions are more fun in a team, in my opinion. Perhaps you might consider downshipping to a frigate. Microwarpdrive and pulse lasers. Jink , weave, and corkscrew at the enemy. Be a leaf on the wind and take out the webbing and other frigates that represent the biggest threat to the speedtanking Tengu. Transversal management will be pretty important to get most out of pulse lasers at speed. Fly manually (*clickclickclickclickclick) and don’t crash into anything as if you get slowed you will probably get quickly converted into red glowing dust.

Fly fun o7

oh thanks for the replies, but what capacitor rigs specifically should I use?

when doing L4 I might get a dual rep harbinger or a oracle snipe, then combined with a strategic cruiser, I think its enough.

edit: do NPC attack drones?

Capacitor Control Circuit

They shoot drones so often that drone tank is actually a thing.

all NPC attack drones? so can I just use drones as bait to attract their firepower and keep my own ship safe from damage?

No, there’re just chances that they will switch fire to your drones. Plus if a lot of rats start shooting your drone, it will just die really fast and after that they will shoot you again.

but aren’t drones really small and fast so NPC cruisers struggle to hit it? and a swarm of 4-5 hobgoblin can destroy a frigate really quick without taking lots of damage. and my lasers will also shoot the rats

I was assuming you were using medium drones on the arbitrator. Small drones aren’t shoot often, but still far away cruisers and bigger ships have little problem tracking them when they’re not moving around. And the real threat come from elite frigates which you’ll only occasionally face in lv3s but always in lv4s.

oh ok. so is there anything I can do to improve my fit then?

My first cruiser was a beam laser fitted Arbitrator. I’m rather fond of it, though it is a poor mission ship: The Omen or Maller are much better in that role. As an E-war platform the Arbitrator is superb - Tracking Disruption is underestimated and being able to throw a full set of medium jamming drones at some poor benighted soul is quite satisfying!

Your fit is generally OK, but the damage you can do is low - I suspect that is skill related.
Your main weapons are your drones, the lasers are distinctly secondary and almost irrelevent. They are giving you a small fraction of the damage of your drones. The Arbitrator is a drone boat (one of the best in the game).

The big upgrade is: train to fit T2 modules. Yes, they are more expensive, but they are worth it. Really worth it. I can’t believe you are CPU/PG limited in your choices - you’ve been around long enough to have put some skill training in there. For example, T2 Hammerheads and T2 Drone Damage Amplifiers will give you at least a third more damage.
Look at Meta modules: the 10MN Afterburner I is 60-70k ISK. The 10MN Monoprop Enduring is less than 10k in Amarr. And it’s a better module, much better.

And take a full bay full of drones: not just a couple of flights of five, but fill it with spares. You’ll need them: get used to the idea that drones are often expendable.

you are right, I’ve never focused on drone skills until now, and I am catching up the training now. I did max out some of my engineer skills so I think I have enough CPU and power grid.

By the way I want to try oversizing modules, I want to put a 100MN AB and a large cap battery, and use the rigs to get enough power grid and CPU for the large modules. is that possible?

Good. I’m glad you’ve not missed the fitting skills. They serve well in all cases.

100mn and a Large Battery - yes, you can fit it, and it’s not as horrible as you would think. You’ll need a Large Compact Battery and a Current Router rig, but it’ll work. Another rig and you can fit a medium rep as well. You get away with it because it’s a drone boat and so doesn’t actually need weapons mounted on the hull - and it’s weapons that cause most fitting capacity issues.

Why on earth would you? is the question really: a 50MN MWD will give you much greater speed and doesn’t need the rigs. You can still fit the Large Battery (I like batteries, but they are not to everyone’s taste). Bigger isn’t always bigger. The only things I tend to oversize are shield modules (one size up does work, a Medium Extender on a destroyer, or a X-Large Booster on a Battleship) and Large Batteries on some Cruisers. Otherwise “the right size is the sweet spot”.

yeah you are probably right, I was thinking about oversizing because I want to go super fast and speed tank my arbitrator. maybe I should just do the classic drone-armour tank arbitrator.

Amarrian ships are basically gold bricks armed with the wrath of God. Agility and speed isn’t their strong spot.

A few exceptions: The Zealot and Sacrilege, as with most Heavy Assault Cruisers which have the bonus to MWD signature bloom, can speed tank well. The Omen is, for an Amarrian ship, quite nimble. The Slicer is also flow fast and at range - compared to most Amarrian ships.

The problem with oversizing modules us it can easily unbalance a ship - pushing too hard on one of the firepower/manoeuvrability/defence aspects at disproportionate cost of the other.

so I’ve modified my fit a bit, now its like this:

[Arbitrator, arby mission fit]
Damage Control I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Compact Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Medium ACM Compact Armor Repairer

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Drone Navigation Computer I
AML Compact Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Heavy Modal Laser I
Heavy Modal Laser I

[Empty Rig slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin I x5
Hammerhead I x5

Standard M x2

I freed up two mid slots so I can put some drone bonus modules.

Low slots:

Damage Control I
Ditch damage control, which gives you buffer for pvp, but gives you not so good resistances for pve, especially T1 variant. That is part of the eternal discussion if DC is good for pve. I can’t say that it’s not worth at all. Not in this case though. You want as high resistances for mission specific damage and then rep it all against incoming damage.

Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Use Compact drone damage amplifier instead, because it gives higher bonus to drone damage, it needs less fitting and is also cheaper than DDAI. Use T2 variant if you can use it.

Compact Multispectrum Energized Membrane
OK. But only if you can’t use T2 variant. Also, you may consider mission specific hardener here, i.e. against angel cartel, fit explosive hardener, etc.

Medium ACM Compact Armor Repairer
Compact stands for “less fitting space needed”. You shall have enough fitting and shall be able to easily fit Enduring repairer, which will save your capacitor and hence will be more suitable here. Repair power is the same.

Mid slots:

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Same issue with compact and enduring. Go for Enduring. Saved capacitor will be handy for the armor repairer.

Medium Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
You shall have enough fitting space for Large capacitor battery. Use it instead of the medium. It gives way better capacitor bonus. Always aim for a large cap battery on a cruiser.

Drone Navigation Computer I
OK

AML Compact Omnidirectional Tracking Link
OK. Also, have a tracking speed script in your cargo-hold and load it when needed.

High slots:

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Heavy Modal Laser I
Heavy Modal Laser I
Arbitrator has 3 slots for missile launchers and only 2 for turrets. The turrets are not bonused, use your capacitor, have very low DPS and questionable tracking of small targets. I would use 3 Rapid light missile launchers instead.

Rigs:

[Empty Rig slot]
I would use Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
It enhances repair power. If you struggle with capacitor, then use Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I instead.

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
I would use Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
It enhances repair power.

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
OK

[Arbitrator, Arbitrator fit]

Medium I-a Enduring Armor Repairer
Compact Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Reactive Armor Hardener
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Drone Navigation Computer I
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script

Rapid Light Missile Launcher I, Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher I, Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher I, Scourge Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Use drones and missiles as per your preference and mission type.

ohh okay thanks, this fit indeed looks better, however I will still use laser because I dont have missile skills.