Just re-linking my proposal here for anyone who wants to reference it without having to scroll up 300 messages:
Exactly! Everything you said is true despite the “That’s never been proven!” Responses. Very few high sec players are there because they WANT war (ganking is not war).
That is the answer, and purpose for war in HS.
Your broader definition is bunk.
Controlling Resources, (collection) from ore to ice to PI, to control the market…
Without Ganking, or better yet, War this is difficult if not impossible to achieve.
To promote PvP competition between players. (there is a reason NPC vendors do not really exist in EvE)
Well, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how limited or incorrect it may be.
Since I apparently got the ‘simple’ answer right for you, it seems odd that you state something you’ve never even seen to be pure bunk.
Huh, well good thing I provided ways to make more and cheaper wars between more entities than we have now, isn’t it?
Well again, your opinion is your own. Even though you clearly haven’t grasped anything about it, nor made a single accurate observation, despite multiple attempts to. And frankly, you keep harping on “fixes” that have nothing at all to do with actual wardecs, but simply with the side-mechanics of placing structures in high sec. And your suggestions (standings, charters) are easily gotten around, and irrelevant to war mechanics.
Actually, what we have now is a completely arbitrary game mechanic deciding that. The destruction of the War HQ. I proposed something based on how much skill and effort players put in to the war. You know, so that:
Which again, is exactly what I suggest. Giving players more reasons to be involved, greater ability to do so, and more ways to manage their risk level.
Actually, “ignorant” refers to a lack of knowledge or awareness. Which you’ve demonstrated multiple times throughout the thread.
I get that you’re upset, because your own ideas were irrelevant and easily dismissed. Even though in fact I pointed out that I wasn’t opposed to them. But since they don’t relate to war mechanics and address zero actual wardec concerns, they’re simply completely inadequate.
Much like your ‘critique’ here of a proposal you’ve demonstrated literally zero understanding of.
It’s fine if you don’t like it, or want to pretend you read it, or even if you read it but simply failed to understand it. But since it gives more players more reasons to actively engage in regular EVE gameplay actions, trying to dismiss it as somehow taking away “players right to decide” or “inventing a new game” just shows how little of it you followed.
Maybe try again later, when you understand the difference between actually engaging in wars, and merely anchoring a structure.
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I dont think hanking has that big of an effect. Maybe it used to, but not now. You still have bots and afk miners. If ganking was really influential in high sec, you’d see a complete lack of mining barges, exhumers, and Orcas. You don’t see those ships on a daily basis in Low sec, but you can’t throw a rock at a mining belt without hitting one in High.
The last several times I was in Brapelille, Safety was ganking barges yet you’d still see miners in them every single day.
I agree with the point made that players will set their own war objectives. Some followup thoughts:
- Say deploying structures in low-sec or high-sec required good standings (1.0 to 9.0, for 0.1 through 0.9 systems). Would it be too easy to circumvent this with a holding corporation that had a few players with excellent standing? And if so, does this kind of nix the idea?
- What does using starbase charters for structures in low-sec and high-sec achieve? Is this just to require corporations to source these for their structures? I’m assuming these can be easily acquired on the open market, from contracts, sister corporations (etc.) If so, this sounds like another speed bump easily dodged.
- I’m not sure the removal of cores is a solution, either (I think the rework required is too extensive). It’s there for a guaranteed payday and would upend a lot of game mechanics.
- Asset safety is also something that could be tinkered with, but again - this probably has far more reaching consequences outside of wardecs.
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I have read your garbage 3 times now in total…and it is all bunk.
no, your proposal ensures ganking becomes more of a norm over wardecs.
Everything you have to say to me, is garbage as well.
War is simply Diplomacy by different means.
Making structure ownership more tedious with both use of Faction Standings and Star Base charters means the people wanting to own PoCo’s and/or Upwells will have to ensure fianicial success before deploying their first one. Have to maintain afterwards for continuance.
This means the current “wardec” corporations will have to grind or include pve’rs to grind for them in their ranks or politics. cause the market wont keep up with charters past a certain point.
And if you can only do 1 war dec per upwell rig that can only be made from T2 salvage, you put pressure on that salvage market and other t2 rigs…makeing them more valuable beyond their ISK value.
Wars are not meant to be fun, exciting, maybe entertaining to watch or do, but not fun…
They are not meant to be for direct profit…
There is no reason for a defender to do anything right now…
There is no reason for an attacker to do anything right now…
Your way is such utter bull 
, my way forces defenders and attackers to change their mentality about wars and owning structures at all…
I have been to actual war in RL, and I have been involved in wars in this game…the true underlying concepts for them both exist…
You have no experience in either @Kezrai_Charzai by the way you talk and created your proposal.
This means you have no credibility or right to speak here, your ideas are garbage and it is time for you to just stop talking.
Was this it:
I take it you want to make structure ownership more tedious - yes? You can still “cheese” the standings to some extent, but eventually (as you point out) the supply of starbase charters isn’t going to keep up.
That’s basically the gist of his ‘plan’, yes. More tedious grindwork for EVE, yes that will fix things. “Go back to the way it was 10 years ago when I started” as the ‘fix’. So many sad little vets out there who can’t get past their rose-colored memories.
Max’s ‘solutions’ don’t really hurt anything, they simply don’t affect wars and they’re easily bypassed. Exactly as you said. First, corps will just trim down to a few high-standing members before anchoring. And then they’ll simply set up courier contracts to deliver charters on a regular basis, direct to their door.
This will give business to some individuals who will ‘rent’ their standings to corps, and services like @Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras “United Standings Improvement Agency”. It will also increase the market somewhat for turning LP into Charters and selling those, so nothing wrong with that.
The new “can only declare 1 war for every T2 rig” wrinkle he tossed in out of nowhere, well add all this up and it’s pretty clear Max wants virtually no wars to occur, despite a lot of tough talk about how vital and necessary they are. And he wants fewer citadels to compete with his own.
And he wants players to be forced to do more PvE in the known location of their structure systems in high sec, which is what would actually “ensure ganking becomes more of a norm”.
So, more tedium, forced PvE, easily located gank targets, less competition, no wars, and all of it nothing to do with the actual conduct of wars at all. Very good solution there by Max.
I particularly like the way he entirely evaded all the issues about aggressor bias, defender participation, and giving players more options instead of taking them away. That displays true focus on the irrelevancies rather than the reality.
But apparently, he ‘knows’ all, and I’m Jon Snow. So I guess I’d best stop challenging his mastery of the topic and move on. Otherwise, he might “cry tedium, and let slip the clogs of war” on me.
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Your consistent need to invent what I supposedly think and hurl it back as some kind of ad hominem is simply going to be flagged from now on. It is not acceptable behaviour. Misconstruing what someone has said is one thing…inventing someone else’s opinions that they have never stated is quite another.
“Maybe” and this a big “maybe” buying charters can protect you from ganks? Add a percentage loss on amount of ore gathered? I’m not saying this is a good idea, just a stupid idea to spark other thoughts on a solution…
Charters for structures (mainly POCOs) ensure that no big bloc POCO empire can be built, because nobody in an altchar-holdingcorp will be able to re-fill the charters for a 1000 POCOs in a 100 different systems month after month after month. On the opposite this job is incredibly easy for a local corp who really lives there, because re-filling charters for a month for 10 pocos in the system you live anyway is a 5 minute job doable with a frig.
It basically takes away power from big blobs altchar-empires back to local inhabitants. Now you could argue “yeah but the big guys could shoot the POCOs anyway and the small guys can’d do anything about it!!!” - true, but that would be boring and reward them absolutely nothing because you can’t loot anything and can’t even place your own POCO unless you are willing to re-fill it every so often yourself. So unless the “small group” stepped on the toes of the landlord somehow and they want to make a statement, they wouldn’t bother to waste his time shooting cheap structures for hours for no real gain. That was the way smaller corps could hold POSes for a decade in Lowsec. It was boring and unrewarding to remove them and as long as you didnt poke the big guys or interfered with their business, they simply left you alone.
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What part do you not get? 
Anyone else find it odd when he replies to himself like he’s a completely different person?
Dissociative identity disorder? It would explain a lot.
Mr Epeen 
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I have seen other people on the forum with this disorder. eg dysonpaddington
I finally F’ing found it! 
I have so many music vids that I can’t classify them into subcategories since so many apply to so many other things. 
I bet one of your other personalities new exactly where it was. You should have waited until it was his turn at the wheel.
Mr Epeen
Fixed it for you.
Blackflag doing the old reinforcing their own WarHQ trick to get a 4 day timer instead of the 24h one.
Their Astrahus is painted the wrong color. 