CCP has an INTERNAL anti-botting strategy and it works as botters hide. PA does not care about ‘how’ they care about financial results. Investors care about ROI not about CCP’s internal schenanigans. If CCP does not deliver they might miss out on hundreds of millions. Time will tell.
I’ve been expanding into the market to be full time trader and I’ve stumbled onto bots alot.It is very frustrating knowing I am basicly forced to compete with a program instead of a player on an aspect CCP always tries to take pride on.
‘Big open fancy player driven market’ they say it’s more big bot market.
Now don’t get me wrong I been making good isk trading but I have to think how much more I’d make without these bots around.
Eve is infested with bots, across all areas of game play which create isk, to think otherwise is naïve.
Ive reported hundreds of market and courier bots, which are clearly run as a complex business, also reported many toons which have blatant RMT contract histories, some totalling many trillion worth of transactions. Months later, many of them are still operating 24/7
CCP, over the last 18 months of my battles with the bots have consistently only acted when public pressure forced them to. And then only doing the minimum needed. No investigations, tracing of isk, seizing bought isk etc.
Short version is, due to the cost of subs verses plex and what a percentage of RMT’d isk is used for, namely subbing accounts via plex, they actually make money out of RMTers. I once did the workings for this, if it hurt their bottom line they would have been motivated to sort it many months ago when it first kicked off on mass. They haven’t, nor will they as it suits their business model at this current time.
Very short version, report away, but don’t expect anything to happen. After 10 years of playing I’ve now cancelled all my accounts, so I know exactly how you feel
You never know if they are truely bots, could be guys with sever autism
Another thing to keep in mind is that CCP doesn’t ban bots immediately in most cases.
They ban bots in waves. This is done to make it harder for the bot developers to know specifically what it was that tipped CCP off. In your specific case, assuming you’re correct and he’s botting on contracts, the tell isn’t relevant. But that doesn’t change the practice that CCP follows.
I’m not saying whether you’re right or wrong, I’m not saying whether or not CCP is doing enough, I’m just saying that it can be months before they actually ban the account. In those events, take comfort from the fact that they keep track of the isk; if a botting account sends it somewhere, they keep track of that, and they’ll get rid of that account too if there’s sufficient evidence.
I don’t care what (semi) valid excuse CCP has to not ban immediately or after a short while. I care about the obvious fact that they don’t do it nearly enough. Botting is difficult or near impossible for us players to prove, but RMT contract alts are hilariously obvious and I understand that you want to expose the whole network blahblahblah.
But after several months that excuse is just that: an excuse.
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MMO this is, strange bedfellows aquainted with that suggestion, new interactions good for New Eden
it is all a question of what you call a boting…
If it is because someone has several omega carater … that is not boting…
if he has a program controling his caracters and doing things that is boting…
if you remember 2 to 3 month ago ccp had a nice game to destroy several ships that were used with boting… that was fun…
noyhing is perfect and i can tell you i have had my share but i think they are doing the best they can…
maybe i am naive…
Have a nice day…
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back from your holiday i see 
hope you enjoyed it 
Let me ftfy:
I don’t know about you, but the entire botting thing is getting really old. Players are mad, CCP doesn’t react, players are mad as hell, CCP drops a few bots to Yulai, like the Romans used their Colloseum. It feels kind of useless to be against botting, when the way they’re dealt with is so laughable. In all honesty, if someone told me they want to start playing EVE really competetively today, meaning to compete in all areas of gameplay, and they’d asked me wether they should be using bots… I wouldn’t know what to tell them. I’d be lying if I told them how bad botting is for the game - not because it isn’t, but because it happens anyway. Trying to talk people out of botting would just give them the disadvantage of being a decent player. So probably I would tell them something along the lines of that: “Botting is bad for EVE, but if you don’t bot, it’s bad for you.”
I would much rather have extreme consequences for botting and those that support and keep them safe.
For instance. If you rent out space to someone and they pay you rent with botted money. Your wallet/assets get zeroed out. If it is a holding corp made to evade the consequences. That shows intent and the entire alliance is disbanded.
As an Alliance or Corporation leader you are responsible for the bad things your members/renters do. No reason to make those same leaders exempt from the consequences of the botting they are allowing and getting paid to ignore.
This is basicly telling yourself commiting a crime is okay because others do as well. I don’t bot, don’t see any reason to ever bot; also not as a new wanting to be a “decent” player. Nobody needs to bot to have fun at EvE. Comments like yours are just an excuse to make yourself feel better doing the wrong thing.
PS: botting is bad for the game.
Good to see the passion in here for getting rid of the bots. I think CCP is working towards the right ends, but maybe the resources they use on it is not big enough to stop the growth of new bots that keep coming on.
My opinion is that the punishment should be more harsh to send a clear message. Permaban at 1st offense also ban any other accounts who can be tied to money laundering the profits. Seize all the assets and ISK owned by the accounts and destroy it. ISK made in this way destroy the economy anyway.
Furthermore banned accounts from botting who belong to a corporation should have the corporation pay a fine in ISK, this would make the corporations more inclined to kick and report suspected members, instead of skimming the profits.
If bots are left alone too long and the problem grows too big, the players not using bots will leave. That would never be in the interest of CCP.
Yes of course, this would be the way to go, but I don’t see it happening. In another thread Brisc from INIT recently wrote that they kicked some renter alliances bots. What he didn’t say was that they have been botting from day 1 in Fountain. Same for many other large and small groups in all areas. It’s prevalent, it’s visible and as I understand it, there are no direct consequences after being caught for the first time. You can keep on wishing that there would be reasonable consequences or you can accept that there is a rule that isn’t enforced.
How would that make anyone feel better about themselves? Do you think people who bot feel ashamed of what they’re doing? You know, a crime is only a crime as long as it’s a crime - see Canada and weed. Or take any country in which you have laws that practically aren’t enforced or only partially so, because too many people are doing it. Botting is bad for the game and there is even a rule against it. The reality that this rule is only partially enforced, means that groups indeed can gain an advantage over other groups when they bot.
So really, if someone who wants to start competetive EVE today, asks me wether or not they should bot, how can I not tell them that if they don’t bot, they will compete against others who certainly do bot? Even that you feel it’s necessary to mention that you don’t bot - hilarious. As if my post meant that I would, where all I’m saying is that people need to know what they’re up against. They are up against a hypocritical culture where everybody will easily tell them how bad botting is for EVE, while a large number of groups are doing it. It’s not CCP’s fault first, it’s the fault of everybody who preaches water and drinks wine. CCP’s lax enforcement comes in as a close second. Mantras against botting have not changed a single thing over the course of the last years. Until I see some proper action by Devs, I won’t pretend that this rule even exists in practise.
So… I join your alliance, I ‘donate some isk’, and then I get the alts caught botting. Now your alliance gets smashed as a result.
Seriously, these ideas will be weaponised just like everything else in EVE.
Yes. The alliance should have checked you out before they let you join. They pay the fine for their mistake and move on.
Closing this thread as it was necro’d and further conversation will not change the fact that suspected bots should be reported using the tools CCP provides. As always, it can take time for CCP to investigate so please be patient with your reports.