What a waste of time.
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Yes, please implement mining fatigue and incursion fatigue. The sheer amount of salt that would generateā¦
You can propose as much changes as you want. No one cares as long as you donāt provide any evidence that there is actually a problem.
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Thats exploit and against EULA actualyā¦
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If it would work this way it would be fine. Those tags are quite expensive actually.
Problem is gankers do not need to repair the security status at all. They can gank effectively with -10.0. You donāt need to repair your security status and you can gank 24/7. There are no cummulative penalties for going below -5.0 the penalties are the same, the timers are the same. Thats the biggest problem here imo. CCP designed a way to repair your security status it is not used in way it should be used, only jita gankers are doing it.
Biomassing -10.0 toons will get you banned
-10.0 players usually donāt care about their sec status lol
Those subs would still leave no matter who killed them lol
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You canāt show that to be true.
If they quit because of a loss, they will quit regardless of who or what killed them
Itās called rage quitting
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And yet no one has produced any good argument why that is actually a problem.
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You cant show that to be true either.
The circumstances of the loss may be part of their experience and choice to quit.
Butā¦ CCP has come out and claimed that ganking does not affect (very) new players adversely (in fact, it is a positive effect!). And they also said that it is not stated in any significant fraction of sub cancellations as the cause.
Isnāt that sufficient?
(alright, knowing you, it wonātā¦ but to most people, it should be sufficient to be able to extrapolate that ganking is not a large source of players cancelling subs. Granted, the small fraction who quit because of that, and probably would have quit one way or another, are VERY vocal and make their friends VERY worried)
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Nobody has specified very new players here.
Knew it! 
Indeed, but of all players, wouldnāt very new players be the most likely to quit because of ganks? Rage quit, and you have very little invested, no corp/community/etc. Surely you donāt expect older players who are invested (time/money/socially) in the game to be more likely to quit than new ones if ganked? Now the flip-side, of how likely older players are to continue playing the game would be interesting to know too. Who knows, maybe retention if not ganked rises so much that ganking in fact does adversely affects retention even if fewer old players quit because even fewer would have quit. CCPlease do a study!
Regardless, I donāt think the quoted insignificant % of subs cancellations was exclusive to very new players.
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Who said anything about biomassing? CCP, in their infinite wisdom, gave everyone the ability to have an infinite number of consequence-free gank alts in the form of Alpha accounts. You simply set up 10 Alpha accounts, thatās 30 toons, and once the first 10 are trained to gank, you use them to gank with while the next 10 are training in the background. Then when you hit -10 on the first 10 toons, you simply donāt play them again and use the next 10. Rinse, repeat. Once all 30 toons are -10, you simply donāt play those 10 Alpha accounts ever again and roll 10 moreā¦
It is pretty obvious that this basically the same thing and no amount of space lawyering some excuse about how the rule is worded will save anyone if they swing the bannhammer.
Also you canāt multibox alphas and you are not going to kill very much with only one alpha.
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They canāt seem to stop or ban multi-input broadcasters and mining/ratting bots. You actually think they are going to bother banning someone that biomasses a -10 toon? One Alpha Catalyst can easily take out your average T1 barge, except the Procurer. Thereās no need to multiboxā¦
why would you bother training new and new alpha account which will take you at least month more likely two when you can gank with -10 without problems?
I personally wouldnāt, just pointing out that it could easily be done. Throw-away email account, VPN, and a crapload of Alpha accounts, and thereās not a damn thing they could do about itā¦
You are probably right about that, however whats your point?
The point is, whoever started this thread was talking about consequences for repeated ganking, and since anyone can have an infinite number of Alpha gank alts, any consequences they come up with would do absolutely jack squatā¦