I am not sure if it is a good argument against the suggestion. You could then said that all the penalties to the gankign are meaningless because of this and should be removed.
EDIT: Even when there is a possibility someone is using throwaway alpha accounts and violating EULA, that would be individuals, most gankers have no intention to biomass/replace their alts. There is no reason why would anyone do that now since negative the security status is no penalty at all.
The consequences would only have meaning to players with Omega accounts that have -10 toons. Other than that, like I said, anyone can just roll an Alpha account and keep right on ganking without affecting their Omega account in any way.
Long story short, Alpha accounts were a bad idea all the way around, and not only for this reasonâŚ
Maybe if we could see that character is alpha/omega would help here. If there are ppls multiboxing alpha accounts and we assume that CCP is not enforcing it, this way we could better determine who is abusing this and report him.
And btw, considering that everyone always argument with âganking is good for game healthâ âganking makes new player stayâ etc. why is there any problem with ganking and alpha accounts?
This game needs more gankers!
I cba catching up on this. Let me just say though the numbers do show suicide ganking has a positive impact on player retention. I have official CCP numbers backing that and CCP even giving a presentation on it. Is there any official CCP data out there that Iâve some how missed saying that suicide ganking has had more negative impact than positive?
Possibly! Itâs definitely pretty safe in HS unless you are overly exposing yourself.
And if people donât like it, they can gank the gankers! Everybody wins (but the catalyst and blaster producers most of all!)
Then why do you always talk like there is some fix needed for people who accept the penalties of a low sec character and operate as -10?
Do you really think adding the requirement to grind sec status back up, basically addind a stupid boring chore to the game play will increase the amount of people who would like to engage in such game play?
There is no need for grinding. CCP already added another mechanics and thats clone soldier tags. But security status is a joke, you can live in highec as -10 just fine and the consequences doesnât matter for the warp-in style ganks you guys do at all.
EDIT: idk, about everyone else is fixing their security status, just CODE.
And why do you think making it more expensive will make it more popular? Adding such a cost will basically kill miner ganking which is at max a break even today if you do all the producing yourself and just ignore Procurers and Skiffs.
If actually think there are more gankers needed, then why do you make it even harder for independent entities without massive amounts of ISK to waste?
We donât live in Highsec, we do one specific thing. Everything else is just completely out of reach because of FacPo and you know it. I think I said this before but it seems not to stick, so here it is again: Just because people accept and account for the consequences does not mean the consequences are suddenly no longer there or are in any way less restrictive.
Meh, its not written in stone that suicide ganking must be profitable.
Suicide ganking for profit is basically piracy. If there is no way to make money then there will probably not be a lot of pirates. And Freighter ganking basically is exactly that. Make it less profitable, less ganks will occur.
Miner ganking is already unprofitable. I donât complain about that, I do a lot of things to lower the costs so I can continue doing it without an outside ISK source which most miner gankers require. Make it more expensive and even fewer people will be able to afford it, hence less ganking will occur.
If you are against ganking just say so. But the whole charade you and @Vokan_Narkar are pulling off here is just a joke really and clearly yet another attempt to nerf ganking into the ground. At least be honest about your intentions, you are not fooling anyone here.
Funny that lot of miner ganking groups are fixing their security status and have no problems. I was doing it from start too, sure I am not doing it anymore since I realized I donât have to. It is not that expensive unless you are multiboxing x alts.
And either way, I didnât make any specigic suggestion here about how it should be harsher. It should still be possible to stay at -10. If you remember my suggestions from earlier threads I proposed unabilityto dock in stations, which you said it wonât affect you anyway since you already using citadels (which if true whats the problem with that suggestion anyway). I am not suggesting some mechanics that will completely prevent you from ganking at -10 unless you fix the status. I was speaking generally in this thread.
Is it? I managed to make profit on it myself. Sure it is not everyday you loot ORE Miners or Augmented drones, but sometimes you are lucky and when that happens it pays your operations for weeks. On top of that, I arranged deal with one of the miners so I get catalysts for very cheap.
EDIT: and I am not buying clone soldier tags anymore. So it costs me barely anything.
After a miner gank I usually loot about 25% of the blasters/mag stabs. At average 8mil in salvage, and at average 6mil from loot without ore. So even when you are not lucky if you loot everything and salvage the exhumer wreck the cost of the gank is maybe what 20mil ? I am not space rich but this aint money for me.
Miner ganking certainly wonât pay you the plex, but is usually paying itself. The best is when you gank huge mining group and all of them warps away even Orca without scooping drones. Month ago I looted 15 harvester drones this way, only one hulk went down but they all warped away and left drones on grid.
Thats entirely in your head.
Iâm not associated with Vokan at all.
I was simply pointing out the fact that nowhere does it say suicide ganking must be profitable, despite you seeming to think so.
Raising the cost of standing/sec recovery doesnt change how suicide ganking works mechanically. Practically you can just suicide more lucrative targets, or farm back your standing/sec, or sell tags to others.
Arguing raising that would nerf suicide ganking, is like arguing that raising the price of Faction ammo would nerf PvP in EVE.
Yeah look there is really no point in discussing with you if you intentionally ignore the points I raised and spew the same â â â â over and over again.
Or maybe you really donât understand what I was writing in that case there is even less reasons to talk to you as Iâm really not in the mood to try to explain to you what I just wrote.
And @Vokan_Narkar sorry, but I donât believe for a second you are a ganker.
A week ago I sent you ingame email about who I am. You didnât read it or you donât believe thats me?
Funny, thatâs exactly what you were doing.
I didnât ignore your points, I addressed them.
The cost of raising sec status is unrelated to suicide ganking mechanics.
Nowhere does it say suicide ganking should be defacto profitable.
As I listed above you can suicide gank more lucrative targets, farm the status/tags yourself, buy tags, or otherwise raise isk to support your suicide ganking.
Or you can just fly flashy and deal with fac popo.
If you dont like that, you can wardec HS targets, or go hunt targets in LS/NS/WHs.
Calm down, miner.
There is no âsafeâ space in Eve.
You consent to PvP the moment you undock.
Your friends quit, good riddance, theyâre not the kind of players Eve ever catered to for the passed 15 years of its existence, and will never feel the obligation to, just because you meek crybabies said so.
Ba-Bye !!
Apparently the important elephant in the room has been drowned, so i will repeat it:
Suicide gankers are a minority of people, affecting only a minority of people. Anyone claiming otherwise is exaggerating a non-issue, making it look like there was an actual issue simply by making people talk about it.
Literally all evidence supports this claim, and that is all that truly matters. People shouting and screaming is NOT evidence, it is the equivalent of having enough people repeatedly shout 2+2=5, until enough mindless parrots start believing it.
Quite frequently its the suicide gankers themselves making threads/posting in them, or on veiled alts, to keep themselves ârelevantâ and draw attention on the forums.