I just don’t see it. The Typhoon is great for armor tanked missile battleship, but Belicose not so much. Maybe the tank could match Caracal EHP and I am doing something wrong, but 1 less turret?
It has same amount of low and mid slots as Caracal, but 1 less turret. WTF. So if you go for armor tank you will lose DPS compared to Caracal. It doesn’t have more slots to compensate for this (or rather Caracal has absurdly lot of low slots). On top of that the base armor resists are worse than Caracal’s. So I would be better making armor tank Caracal than this.
The only thing it has over Caracal is target painter effectiveness, so maybe for some fleet PvP?
You bring this ship for the painter bonus. It’s an EWAR ship that increases damage application against a target for the rest of the ships in your fleet by using target painters.
Every faction has a T1 EWAR cruiser, the Bellicose is the Minmatar counterpart of the Celestis, Arbitrator and Blackbird.
Unlike damps, weapon disruption and jams you can successfully use target painters against NPCs making the Bellicose the only of the four that may even be useful in PvE, but generally these are fleet PvP ships.
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I see you are right, Mnmatar combat cruisers are Rupture and Stabber both for projectiles. The only “counterpart” to Caracal is then SFI.
HAM/Ancil Shield Bellicose is nasty.
And Caracal cannot use same fit?
I’m using Bellicose for Minmatar lvl3 mission running. Works perfectly. Though lvl3’s are pretty simple and many of them can be done in a Talwar or even Rifter using Alpha skills and meta modules.
I believe that, but it is just worse than Caracal in everything, so then the question is why not do that in Caracal faster and safer?
In my case it’s because my char is Minmatar now. Doing Minmatar stuff in Minmatar space.
I can use any pirate ship (73+ Million SP) and weapon system but for a change I’m using this one ship and see if I can make it work.
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Fleet issue Scythe…trust me.
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Well… SFI is definitely better but… There is one moment… Alpha Clone. Don’t have access to Lvl4 and lvl3s are pretty easy for Bellicose. High-sec anomalies? Leave aside Event Sleeper Side everything is pretty simple for bellicose.
Currently I don’t even see reasons to touch Battlecruisers or Battleships.
Alphas can fly navy and pirate cruisers with no problems.
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yep, I’m using Gila for Event Combat sites in HS (and a bit for LS).
However, my point here is: there’s basically nothing which requires big firepower and/or expensive fitting and available for Alphas. Sure, one can say about combat sites in LS/NS/WH but i don’t look that way for now.
That’s really bad point then.
First of all, content where not even Glla is enough exists even in highsec. DED5, event sites.
Second, even if the content you are doing is doable in Bellicose, that doesn’t really justify using ship weaker than alternatives in everything. Level 3 missions specifically aren’t that easy, and for some I was forced to use Praxis even, so flying ship with lower damage and lower tank than Caracal is self-flagellation. Why not do the level 3 in Talwar or even Kestrel when we are at it? Should be still doable as well…
Haven’t seen these yet. Will know when i find.
Maybe it depends from race and location. Minmatar Republic Fleet lvl3’s (in LS if it matters) can be done in T1/meta Rifter, T2/meta Talwar or T2/meta Bellicose. It depends of particular mission, but it is minority of missions which really require cruiser. Most of them do not.
I’ve seen few missions where it was not comfortable in Bellicose. Doable with 1-2 rewarp if you manage NPC badly.
And that’s it.
I use my ishkur lol. Its not even a challenge, pretty fun actually…