And ANYWAY, YOU MANAGED to deviate the attention AWAY from the MATTER, AGAIN…
The THREAD is about PAPER THIN MARAUDERS IN THE FIRST PLACE…
I mean, the plate bonus has also been removed from T2 Black Ops - so as much as I’d love to see it return I just don’t see it in the cards… They could also reduce CONCORD response times in high-sec by 50% to compensate…
There are ways (implants, rigs, plates, extenders) to go from “paper thin” to “reasonably thick”. I know it sucks having to use rigs and slots for these - but it’s better than nothing, I guess.
Are you angry?
My Marauder is a beast!!!
I don’t think he’s angry; he just misses the EHP safety it provided. Null-sec/Pochven always ruins things…
My “beast” is a Babaroga. It’s just not very practical for most L4s…
As an alternate - FC could always add the armor/shield/plate bonus while in Bastion only?
Yes, it bothers me that NAVY FACTION and T1 BS have more tank than my Marauders.
It is a beast but it’s only half the beast that used to be… you would think that the new Bastion modules would give back the fall-off to the Vargur but nope… it’s actually worse
Republic fleet gives range + more tank. It’s the best option for gun platforms out of all the new Bastion modules. But it’s also a hefty pricetag and basically doubles the base cost of your Marauder.
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Stop missioning in Caldari space or populated areas, you only need buffer when travelling across trade routes. That fit is terrible for level 4s, you don’t mix buffer with active as you only make your overall tank worse. You should be seeing twice the active rep power without implants while missioning and over 300k while travelling with buffer.
Correction: You only need buffer when you don’t have it, lol. Trade routes or not!
I mean, I’ve survived a few gank attempts without any buffer, but I’m not recommending that.
You can even run most, if not all, L4 Missions in a pure Buffer Marauder. Even in my dirt-cheap T2/Meta4 Marauders I don’t even activate the Repper/Shieldbooster in many missions.
Also these things can use a brick-tanked Assaultfrig as PodProtector and thus can totally utilize HG Amulets / Nirvanas all day long without danger of losing the pod in HS, more than enough additional HP even without the plate/extender Bonus.
It’s time for CCP to ban Marauders from Highsec!
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Totally agree! I just think OP should go all active or all buffer.
Why you just spent 10 messages tinkering around me or my fit or CPAS or how I fly, How I make money… What if for just a sec you stop pretending the Vargur hasn’t been nerfed severely,
all Marauders tank dropped so much that you feel comfortable talking of buffered Vargurs, when the NAVY FLEET has more buffer and damage almost equal. Except the Marauder now has a 1B Bastion module to get a small tank buff, no fall-off or optimal, but ROF. And you wonder why there’s people that still doesn’t know how to refit with even LESS Paper tank than now??
More Active tanking with zero buffer?
No, thanks.
Vargur as all Marauders needs to be fixed.
Buffer it back, then go lo-sec and show the world how overpowered it is.
I’ve been fighting this fight basically alone from the beginning.
I Don’t expect that suddenly some people start fighting back.
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Also where are the CSM when they are needed?
We campaigned for the Marauder buffer buff back some couple years ago.
They all recognised it was worth the effort and it mirrored the real value of the best possible BS hulls in the game, just to vanish once voted, never to be heard again on facts that matters.
If you want buffer, use pirate and navy ships, if you want active, use a Marauder. Active tanks in PVE don’t need a buffer, there is NO level 4 mission that requires you to have a buffer on a Marauder. You can survive ganks just fine with active as well. T2 ships aren’t always meant to be better than navy or pirate ships, T2 ships are specialized versions of T1 ships, navy ships are just better than standard T1, but still just as generalized. You are trying to take a specialized ship and use a general use ship.
That has happened, and it WAS overpowered. Doing it again and expecting something different is just insanity.
People have opinions and they are varied, for every idea, there will be several dissenting ones, that’s just how our minds are.
Name which CSM who campaigned on that. Also, they can’t force CCP’s hand.
It should be clear by now that people run for CSM because they want a free vacation. It’s a vanity gig.
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There is no HS System where you can safely re-fit to buffer tank for gankers.
The whole point revolves around that factor.
Survivability against gankers.
I Don’t know if you got the MEMO this time.
But one things is clear.
I only use NAFY faction BS in HS systems with high probability of ganking squads.
That never changed.
It changed the fact that for a short period of time, it was possible to use them,
and we have regressed where we were before.
Slightly more equilibrated but only for PVPer that roam Lo-Sec
I hunt marauders!