It’s not really a whine.
I benefit from the fact that everyone is concentrated around Jita.
It’s just bad for the game.
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The following also shouldn’t need to be re-re-rexplained but you and Tom both miss the point of my previous posts.
Demand in New Eden is observed like a hawk by all sorts of market players. Supply of new items doesn’t suddenly induce demand. Existing people in Heimatar, parts of Metropolis and Derelik, and Molden Heath would rather take their sweet time travelling to Jita to fulfill their demand. That’s all a player have to address.
A player starting their own “Buy Locally” media/propaganda campaign can take all the existing people that live in the area and convert that demand to Rens. Then the arbitragers would come, followed by the industrialists as they adjust to meet that demand. The media campaign can argue for: 1) less time spent hauling, and 2) more economic opportunities for the locals (local demand of other items will also shift), and 3) avoiding today’s Nash Equilibrium outcome which is sub-optimal for everyone. It is rational in every sense except the raw “immediate ISK wallet” argument, which means not everyone would be converted. Because some people are just so blinded by ISK they’d rather cut off their own nose to spite their face. Which is what I am making fun of. But it is a real, true player-run effort to make regional change. And it is no more illogical than selling mining permits. There are analogous real life campaigns for this kind of ■■■■ too, like “buy locally” and “save main street” and “don’t shop at WalMart”, so it’s not exactly foreign rocket science.
Yes, there’s stuff CCP can do. That’s true of any issue. No, I don’t believe manufacturing slots will fix it. As someone who learned the game when these slots existed, manufacturing slots makes the future just like today, except suppliers will just make extra jumps to and from Jita. Because demand is observed like a hawk. Suppliers go to where demonstrable demand is in Eve. So maybe ganking increases in that future, but there’d just be more ships making longer trips to and from Jita. None of them will decide “well maybe I should stop at this halfway house of a knockoff trade hub instead and hope demand follows my items”. There’s more than enough stories in this very thread about unfulfilled sell orders. The player-run media campaign addresses the root issue at hand: player demand and relies on personal charisma, makes a great game story, and doesn’t rely on CCP’s slow-ass whimsy. We get less whining and more players taking leadership roles.
So yeah, collective and organized individual action can matter. It takes skilled leadership for it to be impactful.
Your point is wrong.
People build in/next to Jita because they can, that increases supply there and lowers supply somewhere else. Because people build less elsewhere people who want to buy stuff have less options so they move to Jita because that is where the supply is, which then affects markets and activity in other areas affected the demand, which then again strengthens Jita’s position. It all ties into each other and amplifies each other.
It’s basic fcking logic. An increase/ease of supply draws in demand, which then weakens demand elsewhere resulting in less supply elsewhere resulting in more people being drawn to Jita. Rinse repeat. The only way to counter this is to limit the amount that can be produced in/around a single location which will then slowly create a more healthy situation.
CCP did the same in null to break up the super constellations where pretty much everyone from that alliance/coalition was in one area and the rest was empty. For good reason.
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Oh no, I don’t miss your point at all. The problem is that you fundamentally misunderstand how markets operate.
You comically ignore the fact that consumers are only one element of demand.
TL;DR: “An increase of supply draws demand” does not hold true for Eve markets due to relisting fees. Y’all say “yeah it does” and I say “no it doesn’t”. The End.
I get both of your points: supply and demand “look at supply too hurr durr”. I disagree with you two because of what everyone else has also been saying.
Aiko and others have explained how the sell order fees are a total turnoff when demand is not there, but supply is. That barrier of re-listing fees and broker fees is why no one today issues a wonderful selection of all the items you could ever want supply-side in any other trade hubs. That is ISK wasted as the sell orders expire due to a lack of demand. No supplier is going to burn ISK that way.
I get there are both demand and supply side issues, but as someone who has participated in small scale independent industry, and nullsec industry, and seen folks use CRUST/ESI to find market opportunities (and coded up that ■■■■ myself) as a supplier at various scales, the problem is fundamentally on the demand side. People work hard to make sure their sell orders… well, sell! Because of these fees! What everyone else is saying! That’s why demand is watched like a hawk. If suppliers had a better market volume guarantee at local trade hubs – 90d buy orders – they would recognize the corresponding demand and shift supplies accordingly. That’s why individual market-maker accounts were a thing at each of the trade hubs (but this is a separate digression). And this demand mentality… could be addressed with a mentality shift of the player base. Ta da!
Again, if you force people to build outside of Jita, with today’s mentality, you’re just going to get people freighting ■■■■ out of Jita, building, and freighting the supply back into Jita. Some people will quit instead of dealing with the hauling. No rational supplier is going to dump their on the local market and pray that their sell order doesn’t expire and that they face re-listing fees.
I don’t know how to drill this point home any more, if y’all still don’t get it and want to play the “Io Koval is dumb and not looking at the supply side” card when that’s precisely what I’m explaining to you, then that’s on you and your reading comprehension.
Exists because of today’s situation, change the situation to change the mentality.
When people can’t build anymore without limits or competition, some will still try to sell in Jita but build elsewhere, yes. But SOME suppliers will choose to build (and therefore also sell) in another area like Dodixie or Rens. Once they do that people from/in that area won’t have to go to Jita any more but stick around where they want to be (instead of where they HAVE to be). More supply → more demand → more supply. Etc etc.
It’s really not difficult unless you don’t WANT to understand, because it doesn’t suit you.
I added a TL;DR which summarizes our disagreement:
Someone supplying EMP Smartbomb IIs at a local market does not suddenly induce demand for them in that local market. I say this from experience. You can read any marketing/industry blog from the past 5 years of Eve entrepreneurs and “identifying the market” is always the first step. It is never “fling ■■■■ up on the sell orders and watch as people flock to you”.
And:
Is really laughable! 
I don’t know how else to explain:
Is great in theory, but in practice in Eve it is not how it works based on my lived experience, and clearly the experience of others in this thread. But don’t take my word for it, you should try to be a T2 independent industrialist in Rens!
So how do you explain the current situation then, WHY did it happen and WHY did it start to happen in a specific point in history.
Also:
In the current situation where I can much easier build around Jita, no.
I was gone for nearly 10 years so I only have the stark before/after.
To me the WHYs don’t really matter unless folks want to press an “undo” button a lot, which I don’t think is viable and is a fallacious dream to pursue. It’s more of a “where to go from here” kind of question.
This post that was ignored seemed to sum it up well:
And that’s you out of the conversation. Bye!
You are clearly a dreamer. I understand though, wanting to grasp at any excuse to weasel out of a conversation instead of engaging with someone with a good argument and experience that earnestly responds to you in substantive ways.
Not a great look TBH.
BY JOVE I THINK HE’S GOT IT!!!
WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA!!!
WHY, I COULD EVEN SET MY BUY AND SELL ORDERS SUCH THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO THE HAULING FOR ME!!!
BY JOVE!! GENOUS!! PUR GENOUS!!
Yes, because if people like you aren’t willing to place buy orders for 200mm Autocannon IIs in Rens today, those other people must be willing to place buy orders for next-level-down materials in Rens today. 
Lol. I place mat buy orders where I need them.
They even fill too.
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