Seriously, are CCP just hiring Muppets to come up with contradictory ideas that just reverse previous ideas by adding a new feature…
… instead of actually fixing broken stuff, that’s been broken for years?
Gesus. Facepalm.
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“Stopping the scams made possibly by Margin Trading is good.”
No it is not. The scam could have been killed using a disclaimer. The elimination of margin trading kills the trader profession by increasing the funds needed to maintain a large number of orders. It kills the new players that want to step into market trading.
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@ CCP (Arguments why you should not do that to traders, because you will kill stationtrading as a profession and trading in general)
I have been a player since 2012, wih my oldest toon from 2009 and frequently me not playing in between those periods. During that time i have had the luck to find a good and profitable way to play eve online. This is through station trading, ive even gone so far as to create a station trading guide which has helped several players to become billionaires 
This change you are going to implement will effectively kill the station trading profession.
The fact that we can trade in items across a lot of trade slots comes mainly due to the margin trading skill, which allows us to set up both more in quantity and more expensive buy orders. Removing this skill will mean we need to forward to the station the full amount, which means you are effectively capping our isk pool to 25% of what it currently is, so every single trader is set back by 400% due to that change.
and thats only on initial cost, this will kill station trading for another reason as well:
2ndly you are changing the modification cost, so micromanaging your sunday afternoon to make a quick profit will be punished harshly even after the change to stationtrading, as you yourself have written in the post and I quote:
" Increasing the modification costs will mean that the strategy of always modifying every order as quickly as possible will quickly become unprofitable. "
So not only are you killing my income, which of course sucks, because it will force me to leave eve eventually as i dont have the income in real life to support this game.
But you are also removing an integral part off eve, there are to my knowledge a lot of traders in eve.
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Great!
There should be tax added depending on the length of your market orders too tbh. Or the other way around, less of the other taxes to promote “faster” orders.
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- New isk sink - this is good change
- 4 digits - this is going to affect prices. They will be more dynamic and I’m interested to see how it will work. But it’s not going to remove bots. I would consider it as negative change.
Overall CCP wants to go in good direction, but they have terrible ideas to achieve it.
Example: How to increase pvp content in nullsec and make it less safe?
Option 1: blackout. Result? Losing huge amount of playerbase. (Over 30k average logged in before, less than 20k players logged in during). Players hate it. Salt on reddit.
Option 2: filaments. Result? PVP increased. Players love it.
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Dear CCP you clearly are not interested in players opinion. You test red dots on tranquility and the way how to switch it off on Singularity, omg, omg CCP, really.
There is a new comment to your post! Ding, Ding, ■■■■■■■ Bong!
You kill every play style slowly. I have got two questions. Mainly when the transformation from sandbox to pvp shooter will be over and how much you will charge for a dominix in the new eden store?
Thanx bye!
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Not for nothing, but… so? I mean, if that’s how players want to behave, let them. As long as they’re actually at the keys, who gives a damn?
Anyway, CCP, look… you guys clearly want to respond to the mudflation that’s been in the game since… forever… just knock 4 0’s off everyone’s wallet and call it a day, rather than turning ISK into Yen or Lira.
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Thank you CCP to put an end to my adiction, my omegas will not be renewed for sure. As for real markets i’m really sorry to tell you that there are several markets in real life with 0.01 tickers.
(I’m not a bot and i enjoy that 0.01 PvP in the market, and i never used that margin scamm that many used)
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Are you guys completely disconnected from gameplay? No margin trading? Your not helping the new players or the little guy. Thanks for helping make the game worse as usual.
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You might be right about trading in Jita or Amarr, but there are a lot of places you can trade profitably without ever having to update an order. You just make something available where there’s predictable, steady demand for an item (this can be inferred from studying dotlan), and where no one else is doing so (which you can find from evemarketer.) I really think you’re being too pessimistic! In the market just like in PvP wallet warriors do have some advantages, but it’s no match for sound decision-making.
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The client never lied. The player behind the order lied, and that’s about as Core Eve as it gets. Not only are margin trading scams rare, they’re so easily spotted and avoidable that they fall somewhere around ISK Doubling on the problem-o-meter of Eve Online. If it’s registering above zero, it has a sensitivity unheard of by science.
If anything, it was another little part of teaching a core lesson all Eve players need to learn sooner or later: If it’s too good to be true, it’s too good to be true.
Margin Trading was one of the biggest tools I used when I had my intermittent station-trading tryharding sessions and this is a direct and significant nerf to order count, order volumes and profitability of station trading. It does nothing to benefit newer players or casuals, while being a flat out “go get fuckered, veteran” from CCP.
This is curing cancer by trying to shoot the tumors.
It’s starting to look like you’re trying to kill all ISK earning in Eve that isn’t dumping supers into anoms.
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“Here is an order. If you give it X things, you will get Y money.” “haha, only kidding, the order cannot be fufilled”
That’s not a lie in the client?
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A lie from a player, to a player, in a player-driven economy. When you deal with other players, safeguard yourself and think, or get screwed. This has always been an Eve feature and not a problem in the slightest. If I lie to someone in a chat, is it the client lying? No, it’s me. If I lie on the market, it’s not the client, it’s me.
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Really the margin trading scam is a non issues, since it can affect only very few, illiquid items
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Doesn’t this graph tell you most players don’t actually micro manage their buy/sell orders???! Am I crazy?
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Margin Trading is very useful for us large volume traders. It’s going to be difficult to keep trading cycles running consistently without the ability to have buy orders up with partial escrow. Please reconsider keeping this skill in the game and finding better strategies to combat scammers.
The re-list fee feature is also questionable, but I guess we’ll see how it works out. Right now the strategy to combat the 0.01 no-lifers is just to crash the market and try to push them out through attrition. There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with that system, so not sure why their was a perception that change was needed. Alas, we’ll see.
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Yay!!! Thank you!
Dropping the price shouldn’t make you ‘repay’ for relisting the item.
These are exactly the same products we buy/sell. The only control to move and make a sell is price. You are taking the only control right out. And what’s this 4 significant digit nonsense? This doesn’t actually happen.
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I was flabbergasted when CCP raised the market taxes. Now I am flabbergasted again. One of the amazing things about Eve is the well-stocked market hubs. These changes only lead in one direction - encouraging players to avoid the market as much as possible. Getting people to use out-of-game trading networks and doing private contracts could be a CCP goal, but it doesn’t seem like a good one.
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Margin trading is, soon to be was, a core part of my gameplay.
While a minority used it to scam, in my experience most people using it did so to leverage their wallet in an effective manner while relying on their sales to fund their buy orders.
The scam itself is one where “once bitten, twice shy” applies, if somebody falls for it more than once that’s on them, not the scammer. It’s the market equivalent of getting ganked, but with less explosions and far easier to avoid if you know about it.
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