CCP just give us roadmap
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RIP resellers. gg
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Sigh ā¦ i really dislike this change.
as a trader with more then 600 uniq items in my portfolio, and a rutine of updateing once a dayā¦ i find it really sad to see margintrade gone. and the relist tax, is going to be hard to calculate for my part atleast, as i canāt remember how many time or what price i place the buy order number 439 for 4 weeks ago.
i know adabt change the way to trade and all that, but really i didnt see market at broke before so why even change it. was a core thing for most proffessions.
if i canāt find a way to enjoy this, on top of the ore changes, well this may be the last drop for me.
will ofcourse give it a good try before calling quits but i am a very unhappy costumer right now.
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All I read here is, cancel all indy and market alt accounts, and just gank to steal what I need, since why bother trying to make an honest isk.
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This shows that the significant majority of orders (approximately 94%) never get modified at all. The costs associated with these orders will not be negatively affected by these changes. It is also evident that around 2% of orders are modified more than five times. For these orders, the modification fees will start to eat into the profit margins. A tiny minority of orders (less than 1.3%) are modified more than eight times. Among these are orders that are being modified hundreds of times, with behavioral patterns that are very likely not human.
I understand and support efforts to kills bots ā¦ but are you really making such large changes all at one time in order to combat a tiny minority of 1.3% of all trades?
I canāt see any way to see that that isnāt pretty negative and really worrisome in terms of its implications for the game as a whole.
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To get the bots out you place a station only buy order in a low sec station way higher then any others. The bots counter buy moving their trabe hub buys above yours up to and even above the sellers prices in the trade hub.
Boom, you just had all the bots wipe out their buys by filling all the sell orders and you are now free to cancel your lowsec station only buy order and price your buy order appropriately. And the bots have now lost big on the margins. More people need to do this on more then just plex markets, the bots will go broke.
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CCP Seagull apparently took it with her, now CCP appear to be throwing poo at the wall to see what sticks.
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They donāt have one.
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As an industrial player who does a lot of manufacturing and sells the product on the in-game market, I like this change.
I have always calculated a āfloorā price for my products that allows for a reasonable profit and will not chase the market below that price. At present I will list above that price but am unlikely to do so once these changes go live. Simply list and wait for the market to come to me. It will save a lot of time!
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indeed, how can i sell my ammo?
Even if you pick a higher then lowest price you will end up buying it from the lowest prices seller at your now higher price. Thatās always been stupid.
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Is that graph showing market orders in Jita or all market orders in EVE? The number of orders in Jita that are updated more than 8 times feels a lot higher than 1.3%, and since the vast majority of āprofessional market tradersā are doing it in Jita thatās what the graph should be focused on.
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Competition between traders comes down to who (or what) can micro-manage their orders for the longest period of time, rather than who is making the most intelligent pricing decisions.
Care to explain what intelligent pricing choices there are in EVE? The lowest possible price is the only intelligent choice because there are no variations at all between modules of the same type. Which intelligent choice should someone make when there is only the price to differentiate between orders?
Order prices can only be specified with a maximum precision of 4 significant figures.
Veldspar sells for 7,56 at the moment. EMP S sells at 12 ISK. Where do you get the 4 significant figures in items like these?
As discussed above, there is a desire to follow some real-world examples in how markets can operate, so this change is heavily influenced by the way that regular stock/commodity markets handle pricing.
I think you are relying on outdated data here. RL Stockmarkets have actually adopted the .01 ISKing of EVE because of bots doing the bulk of the bidding and selling and they change prices in microseconds by fractions of full dollars.
Charging structure owners a new tax on this broker fee income. When the owner receives their 1% fee, they will immediately pay half of it onward to the Secure Commerce Commission.
Why only half of the amount? What happens to the other half of that percent?
The addition of the 1% minimum tax on structure markets is very appreciated. It should be 2% at least but it is a start.
The removal of Margin Trading is also important and good.
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Itās just a magic word CCP uses every time they want to srew us up. BOT
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7,56 has three significant figures, 12 has two. These are both below the maximum of four and so not affected. You can update 12 to 12.01 and it will still only have the four.
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Among these are orders that are being modified hundreds of times, with behavioral patterns that are very likely not human.
on top of which my stationtrader updates maybe 10.000 x a day on all her orders on a sunday afternoon, im fairly likely to fall into that category, and i am definetly human
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The key word there is maximum.
As I said in my response to the first post, you can always use fewer figures. 0.01 is an acceptable price. It only makes a change once you go over 100 isk
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I would also say it is likely that bots stick to the same basic types of items and you could capture the vast majority of them by focusing on the tiny minority of 1.3% of all trades you mention.
Why donāt you introduce a type of captcha that players engaging in these types of trades must complete every few hours or so?
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In general, I agreeā¦ as theyāve been time and time again adjusting the gameplay of PVP multiboxers, and ratters and miners in PVE primarilyā¦ to try and make things less effective for botters, but impacting non-botters pretty severely as well (Emerging Conduitsā¦), butā¦
Market botting is on a whole other level. And are there that many non-bot market tycoons who actually ENJOY 0.01 ISKing? Every marketeer Iāve talked to complains of having to do it, no one seems to really relish it.
Iāve done it before now and then (trying to get rid of the olā event skins before the prices tank) but mostly I put my orders in, adjust them maybe once or twice over a week, but mostly let them sit and sell, hopefully. I donāt live in Jita as I absolutely hate being there, too, so while I can update buy and sell orders in Domain fairly often, as I live in Amarr HS when in HSā¦ my Jita orders are mostly left alone to do what they will. Iām cool with that, and now itās actually going to be the preferred way to do things, soā¦ Iām with CCP on this change. Itāll be healthier for not only the markets, but our EVE-addled brains. Spend some time out of Jita, Jita market alts! rejoice at the lack of local spam!
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See, now THAT is a good (simple, cheap) way to remove botsā¦
ā¦itās almost like CCP has other motives for thisā¦
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