CCP another red dot
Oh. Was that what the post was about?
Well you know us dumb high-sec players. We see a button and we push it.
But donât let it disturb it your highly intelligent discussion and arguments.
Personally I find that taxes are high enough in high-sec and the risk vs reward in Eve should take the actual risk into account. But I completely understand your point that this would not work for the wallet of a null-seccer.
You shouldnât care. Whatâs one active omega eve player more or less. Just donât forget to turn off the light when you are the last one. I just wanted you to avoid the trouble of writing some more intelligent stuff like :
0.5% taxes in TTT is âhigh enoughâ?
There are also plenty of competitors who have lower taxes, some entirely free. How much lower do they need to be for you to be satisfied? How entitled are you, kid?
Ignore. The golden rule is: âDonât feed the trollâ
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if they do that, the game dies. period
my main concern with the margin skill change is that it gonna f over alot of ppl but they cant see it right now and after the change ppl would say look it didnt have that big of a impack but as buy order gets filled and not relisted because they dont want to drop the isk on item that not are in general are good trade item and lock their isk for weeks
right now i have buy orders for ores on two area for all the ores that can be mined there for around 3b each place and i pick up the stuff once a month and let the miners there sell their stuff. i know those orders arent going to be filled and just sit there for 2-3month and because i dont have to drop 6b right away its fine for me but with the new changes i have to take a look on it and think is it worth dropping 6b on it if its going to take so long time to make any isk from it or use it on something that i can make a turn over on faster
and then some ppl would say that will open op that market for some one else that is true but he is also more likely to see its not worth to lock up his isk on this because the turn over time is so high
so all in all there is going to be less buy order across the board and the flow of isk is going to be less because its getting locked up in escrow
i would have to cut my buy order in half kinda or reduce the volume of the buy order to cover all my buy order in raw isk
right now i have buy orders for 27b and still need to cover 23b but i know all of those order will not be filled before i get isk back from my sell orders
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I donât see the problem here. It seems like you werenât ready to commit to it. Someone else who is might take it over, if not, then oh well, the market has spoken and people will adapt.
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you say that its not a problem but when items lose all the buy order how are you going to sell it now are you going to set it up for sale or transport it to a npc to sell it ?
lets take âGlistening Coesiteâ in jita im the only buyer of that item in jita if i dont relist you will have to sell it your self and hope some one is going to buy it
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Yes, thatâs exactly the issue. People are going to want items, and other people are going to want to sell those items, but both parties will hesitate to place a market order. It can already be a hassle to get certain items, and this problem will be amplified.
If this was simply a matter of higher taxes, then people would just adjust their prices. However, when they are taxing price changes, people will naturally prefer to negotiate and haggle outside the market, without the extra fees. This will waste a lot of time, and people will possibly rethink whether they even want to bother.
Imagine running a grocery store, and you want to do a sale on eggs, but you have to pay a tax to drop the price and then another tax when the price goes up again! Even worse, its a percentage fee instead of a flat rate, so large orders are a bad idea. How much do you agree to pay for gasoline for the next three months? Hope you are good at guessing, because if you guess too low, then you arenât getting any gasoline! If you guess too high, then you are going to get ripped off.
As I said before, Ebay and Amazon charge a fixed flat rate per listing, plus a percentage fee AFTER the order is completed. Charging a percentage fee for uncompleted orders is why 99% of EVE has no market, and adding an additional fee on price changes will not help. It is normal for people to adjust their prices. Stores do it all the time. They donât know what a box of cereal is worth, so they post a price, see how it sells, and then adjust the price. Why would CCP discourage that?
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- not enough trading slots around the âfair priceâ to allow for competition. This is major
- removal of margin will reduce market liquidity because less orders. This is major
- other issues minors as they will transmit easily to prices without causing too many frictions (besides a reduction in demand due to higher prices)
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I say that with that changes, mailing lists will become huge and popular now
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But they wonâtâŚ
See? Even for worthless items in Jita, there are still buyers.
No one buys Glistening Coesite in Jita because it doesnât make sense to do so.
They are huge and uncompressable. Why would anyone spend the money shipping them from the moons they mine all the way over to Jita in order to sell it? Especially given that many shipping services charge based on volume, it wouldnât make sense.
Pick an item where it makes sense for people to use Jita specifically if you want to try and point out an example. If anything, this just goes to show that such items will (rightfully) stop being traded because it doesnât make sense to trade them in Jita.
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just because you think its dumb to move and sell it in jita and make no sens doesnt mean its not being traded and the same i could say about item being sold under production cost doesnt make sens and dumb but those item is still getting sold on the market
Yes and no. They want to prevent this .01 ISK nickel and diming. But with their change, they now encourage a seller to wait, look what the âfirstâ person puts up, and then just undercut the person when putting up the order. Because a change of price may now be prohibitively expensive for the person who listed first, the change accomplishes to prevent the .01 (or now .1 percent) undercutting nonsense. So that goal is accomplished.
However, the change also introduces that the seller who puts up the sell order first gets hosed. Given that all items in EVE (again, except abyssal modules) are commodities there should be a uniform price within a regional market (a fine ounce of gold doesnât have 11 different prices either). So to prevent an existing seller from getting hosed by a seller who swoops in second, sellers should be free to adjust prices as long as their new price is at least as high as the lowest standing sell order.
Then that falls on the lap of the morons who are trading it. To knowingly enter into a bad market and then complain that CCP has made it harder is really dumb.
You could, but again that still falls into the trader being an idiot.
You making bad decisions is not compelling reason for CCP to suspend this change. Itâs happening, bad decisions or not.
When itâs cheap enough I buy it from SO and can make a nice margin from reprocessing.
You can always divide your stock in multiple SO rather one big SO to the limit of your skil ( Tycoon V compulsory ) , much more effective to avoid being âgankedâ by others l.
Every traders will use it , and you know the story âŚ
( mostly bunch of dead orders ) .
The one thing to see will be the number of order , some will hide their stock
but mostly all of the traders will put them in the market .
There will be some items to flee like the plague .
and creating new criteria to find healthy items through spreadsheet .
one criteria could be : some volums but few orders ( study in one week)
We ( traders ) are going to anticipate the actions of others traders
I donât really know how it is going to play at the end .
Everyone will try at the beginning some cautious method , which will evolve to ??? a mystery right now .
( too many factors : reactivity of the market , influence of CCP , number of traders on a particlar product )
I recently bought 115 Design Labs off somebody. Can you imagine how long it would take to sell that much inventory without traders?