lol. “it’s not in effect yet but just talking about it is destroying the game”.
Just. Lol.
Like the Covid-19 which hasn’t contaminated millions even now but we are already anticipating an economic recession because of it, with many who already take action…
You are really dumb as you have no clues about how the economy works, fanboy. CCP already stated that the March, 10th said measures will be in effect, so any reasonable player will anticipate and remap their own orders right now.
Last time I answer to a brainless troll. Never feed them, just ignore them.
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Yep , I just get rid off 150B on asset I should be normally taking more profits.
It is already a click-fest on ordinary product ( good volum, enough customers) with the SO,
I really don’t want to lose my time when the next change will hit .
You don’t want to keep any product with a margin between 10 to 20% …
+1
( don’t bother with trolls )
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Go suck yourself, Abitchson.
The effect is not from the modification, but from people speculating over it. So yes it’s completely stupid to claim that whatever effect you see it’s because of this modification.
The real affect will be visible after a transitory period of like 3 months. Until then it’s just… well, bitching.
Just like avian flu. Just because you are overreacting with safety measure or interpretation, does not mean it’s because of covid or avian flu. Covid does not kill more than the flu, and yet you are overreacting and spreading stupidities.
Just because people are speculating, does not mean anything of the effect of this modification. Just because people are overreacting to coronavirus, does not mean that this virus will be alone responsible of a recession - while systemic crisis happen every decade, more and more often. So systemic crisis ? Sure there will be. But because of virus ? lol.
There is no free game time. All game time, even game time you buy with ISK, someone buys with real money first.
Like the Covid-19 which hasn’t contaminated millions even now but we are already anticipating an economic recession because of it, with many who already take action…
You are really dumb as you have no clues about how the economy works, fanboy. CCP already stated that the March, 10th said measures will be in effect, so any reasonable player will anticipate and remap their own orders right now.
Last time I answer to a brainless troll. Never feed them, just ignore them.
You have it correct. I don’t know if the troll is just feeding off the angst generated or is trying to exhaust all other posters into not participating in the thread.
You and others have made arguments that make sense. Don’t let that strength of yours be defeated by diversion to a troll’s heckling.
We’ve seen the problematic decision-making, then silence from CCP before. It’s been weathered before, and at times, the decision reversed. But I don’t know if CCP has enough backing from Pearl Abyss to weather the player fallout from the new order modification fee issue.
It isn’t just those that produce, but also all those that buy from the market that are affected.
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LOL. Claiming BS is not a strength, anybody can do it.
It’s only problematic because it reduces your income. All the arguments I got here, besides “it will make the game go toward small orders”, are complete BS.
All the flow of propaganda and fallacies people have shown here only show your true value : your own personal benefit. Something is good when it makes your wallet bigger, something is bad when it makes it smaller. That’s all there is to you as a notion of good or bad.
Yeah I know, for several of you, that is actually a quality.
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The main problem will be for traders to do buziness as usual after the trade changes applie .
I don’t see any quicker way to drain all your isk in slower and slower executed orders .
The issue will be that all your isk will be “blocked” in the market .
One strategy could be to let my fellow traders drying themself ,
then I would have more lever to control the market.
( I know that already some of us thought about it so it won’t be a surprise
so I have to find a counter of their counter movement
There would be some funny time … )
That’s almost literally what I wrote . I wrote “frozen” instead of “blocked” but whatever. So yeah, now spamming several orders will be at the cost of your order slots (and your assets/isk) being stuck until the market reaches those orders back.
But they will not dry themselve. They will cut hard because it will be more expensive to cut slow, and whoever will reach his equilibrium value (while other seller can’t accept to sell lower) first will win. Because a market where your margin is too low is not worth investing, so you will only invest where the margin is enough, therefore always compete with someone else. And when the orders you placed to taste a product will be reachable again, acting as triggers for a new market opening, you will start on that product again.
It will be a lot more dynamic, and each action will have cost, and you won’t be able to 0.01 isk ever again. does not mean it will be the end. Unless of course you are too stupid to adapt.
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I see everyone and i understand your complaints but remember 1 thing ccp doesnt own EvE anymore. even if they say they have control you know for a fact they dont and they have to do as they are told or they will be replaced. so we all know what is and will happen the eve we all loved to hate and play is gone. replaced by the money grabbing packs. skilling up is a joke now and everyone knows it but we also know now new players would join if it took them 10 years to catch up. so i will morn the EvE i loved to hate . i will move on to happier hunting grounds.
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I don’t know how to answer to you , you are not like Scoots_Choco a obvious troll .
But after reading you , I just see someone contradicting everyone else just for the fun probably
so a bit of a troll .
I am not sure you are a real trader , because of your lack of understanding .
- the point of the 0.01 isker -> you don’t know what your talking about
- your objections never linked with any hub experience ( just assertion )
( I don’t bother to quote ; people are able to read if they want your different answers)
After this interlude , back to the real subject :
1) The end of the station trader in hub, the part relating to the use of the BO/SO loop ( the why):
it will make this thread tedious to explain the basic of the trade by explaining everything
but this way it will shut down any pretending traders )
Usually for a station trader, the margin is between 2% and 6-7%
any product beyond this margin won’t last long ( time windows between 1-2hours ),
will be targetted by most trader ( the spreadsheet warriors ) so I won’t considerate these items
With the new brokeer fee , the usual benefit will tends to be quickly negative.
That will not at the beginning prevent some traders to do it till they see the uselessness.
2) Why it will not kill the 0.01iskers just transform them to 0.1%ers ( or more)
As long as the benefit is positive, the BO/SO cutting will go on .
Traders care more about their asset isk, than any forcasted benefit.
If you froze for a long time your asset in something else than isks ,
you are no longer a trader you are a more an annuitant.
The BS linking 0.01 isk to botters is just an excuse .
It is as if to prevent ratting botters, we supress all the ships involved ( no more carrier 
)
Any traders just realize when CCP broker fee change applie, that they have to find a product with a sufficent margin ( probably > 30%)
The next strategy is quite simple :
- movement of product from A to B ( mild risk but ganking and disappearing orders)
- using the time trend of a particular product ( riskier : speculation effect )
the first possibility are fine with CCP , more transport = more content for the pvp-like-players = gankers , more losses
The second , with the chaos era of CCP, mostly all history data on a product will be useless .
( simple example : looks at the plex evolution and try to make any prediction now )
Final thoughts but already mentions in another reply :
The consequence of the futur of any orders , if CCP don’t interfere again
Traders need to buy product at lowest price possible, so that they will be able to do the usual 0.1% change
You really don’t want to see your orders stuck in the market ,
so the price of any products with less demand will decrease .
The products with large demand will be driven mainly by manufacturers ( or pv-ers) rarelly by traders except the lucky few wandering traders ( A to B) / few speculators ( who wants to sit in a large pile of for example shield/armor with an amount > 2-3 daily volum )
A bear market is expected ( from me at least …)
During the next 2-3 month , those traders with stuck orders will have no choice but to get back their isks ( at any prices ) .
The idea of infinite patience and absolute rule of profit are exactly what a non-trader could think.
A trader will “cash” his orders to the bitter end, any regular trader in Jita experienced it .
I could go on … on this subject because I really like it
But we ( #RealTrader) will always make the customer pays for whatever change
CCP “was right” ( I have other terms in mind ) to supress ( other words in mind too ) the high frequency trade because the repercussion of their change will be direclty implemented by us with a big ripple effect.
Instead the market will gradually be impacted.
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You don’t either.
Nobody cares.
BS.
No. regional trade is still here.
Always the same. If you keep spamming your orders update, you end up losing money. Even with a 30% margin.
The only way to avoid this is… well it’s a secret 
But FYI even in ESI there is no mention of the broker fee paid for a specific order . ATM you have “broker fee -100 isk” and that’s all, while when you have a market entry it’s specified for which order.
So unless you write your own DB program to track your own modifications on your own orders (remember that is updated every 15 min in the ESI, so you can miss 2 modifications), you can’t check how often the order was updated.
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And all that brabbling to fight bots which are not even affected by it.
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They are.
I mean it’s completely stupid to claim that they are not.
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Speak for yourself. Bots are not affected by this when you compare the effects of this change to human traders. Bots do not care about time spent on things, bots do not care about tedium with updating and checking orders. Bots just do that automatically while humans have to do it using their time. Hence: Bots are not affected by this. Period. With every new change that goes into that same direction (increase tedium for humans to fight bots) it just becomes ever more illogical not to use bots in the first place.
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They are. Period.
CCP did not say anywhere that bots would not be affected by that.
Your post is just stupid.
You claim that any 0.01 isk bot will be not affected by that. This is just by definition wrong.
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What CCP says is completely irrelevant. They have no idea what is going on at all as almost all recent development decisions demonstrate.
The effects on those compared to humans are minuscule and nothing compared to the effects on humans.
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Which quality of a bot makes him more resistant to increase in order modification fees?
Indeed, when you want to claim BS, truth and facts are irrelevant.
Yes, they know exactly what they are doing, and whether or not this will affect bots. You on the other hand have no idea.
It’s literally the same effect on human and bots.
So yeah, stupidity again.
The fact that calculations happen automatically. That the bot does not use human time to check the value changes. That bots run these operations in parallel and more reliably than humans. That bots do not have sleep. That bots do not have to pay attention to other things. That bots focus on these things and do not have to care about dumb and ill-informed rambling of the likes of Andersen.
That is patently false.
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