Buy orders should not execute for more than market price

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The reason it is set up this way is that buy orders are meant to be used to purchase items exactly where you set them up to be bought and for what price. What you want would end up making you, and everyone else, possibly have to jump 60, for a rough high end, jumps to collect all the items you purchased randomly, depending on where all the sell orders are located. The game has the market set up in a very specific way and what you want would really mess with how things work. You have to be very careful with the market. We have all lost our pants to a misplaced digit or decimal.

EDIT: Also, friends don’t let friends trade tired.

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Remember though you can specify on a buy order where you wish to buy them, station, solar system, various number of jumps or region depending on your skills. So you shouldn’t get anything outside of your specified range.

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Actually, that is what the topic is about, and what the OP first talked about.

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Personally I don’t really care about the specific issue. In thousands of trades over the years, I think I’ve typoed and put in a couple extra zeroes maybe 3 times. The only time it actually stung was when I bought 2 or 3 ships for 950 million each instead of 95 million each. I emailed the folks that the ISK went to, explained the error, said I realized it was my bad and no hard feelings if they kept the ISK, but mentioned I would very much appreciate it they kept approx. 120 million per ship (for their processing trouble) and sent the excess back. They both did, allthough IIRC one charged me 125 million per ship. No biggie.

The issue for me is simply one of “interface design quality”. Put it this way: I want to buy 50 units of something, and I need it now - so, no setting up a buy order and waiting for it to fill. The items on the local market listed as:
2 @ 1,250,000
3 @ 1,250,500
1 @ 1,251,000
4@ 1,255,000
etc. etc. down to
5@ 1,500,000

I have can either purchase 50 @ 1,500,000 each, thereby overpaying for 45 of the 50 items. Or I can purchase 2 items at the lowest price, then a separate purchase of 3 items, then 1, then 4 etc etc until my 50 are filled.

That’s where it’s bad interface design. If I listed an order for 50 items @1,500,000, it should start buying the cheapest items that are below 1,500,000 (at their listed, cheapest price) until it either hits 50 items or the lowest item is >1,500,000, and then it should ask if I want to place a buy order for the remaining X items if it couldn’t fill the 50.

That’s what my experience has taught me constitutes ‘good interface design’. What EVE has here is ‘crappy interface design that was not well thought out or implemented, but that you can deal with if you have to because the devs couldn’t be arsed to do better’.

And unfortunately, from my point of view, about 50% of EVE is designed and programmed with those same standards of quality. It’s really just a question of whether CCP thinks people will continue to be willing to pay for shoddy quality goods in a world that offers more options to them every day.

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The OP is getting trolled, personally attacked, etc. which is totally normal for these forums. However, if the system, the interface, whatever, is working the way the OP says, then I agree, it’s screwed up and should be fixed.

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Not bad interface design if it was designed that way for a reason. Just means you don’t like it.

If you place a buy order incorrectly that is a risk you take for not paying attention or checking the order before you place it. But you want to eliminate that risk. Although in this case that you describe you’re only using the buy order to buy quickly from multiple sellers.

So I’m buying from 20 sellers 1 product with your system where it does the main job for you. It wouldn’t matter what figure I entered on the buy order, could enter 200 mill as if it costs only 23 mill I’d get the difference back. Personally, I prefer it as it is with the risk. Although if you did put a high amount down you then run the risk that someone had an over priced item within the range of sellers you’re looking to buy from if you didn’t check properly first.

As the system is at the moment if I want to pay more for an item I can do it, with your system that wouldn’t be an option.

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I’ve made billions of isk from this system, so I see no reason to change it, and I don’t know why you are trying to nerf my playstyle.

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^This^

Whats next Bruminon? have CCP replace all your ships because you made a mistake or didnt understand what was happening? Hell why doesn’t CCP just give you game time and isk? I mean you really can not be blamed for your own mistakes… that would be preposterous…

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That it’s poor interface design is a visible fact. That it might have been designed that way “for a reason” is pure supposition. If you have facts to indicate how and why it was coded as it is, please trot them out for all to see.

You are incorrect. Each item purchased would come with a transaction line saying who it was purchased from. You would easily be able to send each person you wanted to overpay some ISK directly. You would even be able to individualize the amounts.

As it stands, I’m quite confident that the desire to buy X items at the lowest price in one transaction occurs much more frequently than the desire to overpay people for items on the market. ‘Good’ interface design is about making the most common and time-consuming interactions more streamlined and efficient. Clumsy, awkward interfaces, that add additional time and inconvenience to common transaction types, is what ‘bad interface design’ is all about.

Not that we’ve ever lacked people who are ready to upvote any EVE mechanic that has the potential to screw people over if they aren’t perfect mechanical robots. Which of course, is exactly why EVE has so many perfect mechanical robots screwing over the economy and gameplay every day.

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The interface design is intuitive enough, I believe it works better with EVE as it more like a black market than a market with rules and regulations where everyone has to be nice to each other.

I don’t have any issue paying a bit more for something I want quickly, even in RL I pay more to gain that service.

As for you saying I’m incorrect about losing the option with the system you want, I’m not. If someone sent me isk for no reason other than they wanted to, I’d send it straight back.

However, if someone paid more for an item they purchased off of the market from me, I would accept it, because it wouldn’t be a donation which it would be if they just sent it. There is a difference and the fact you can’t see that says a lot about you.

As for upvoting CCP I find it difficult to upvote CCP for anything these days not that I ever really did. Although, I always give credit where it’s due and never accept credit for anything if it’s not deserved.

Ref: post 149 the above post,

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It works just fine for me and I have been a regional trader for quite a few years now.

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Are you trying to say that if CCP was capable of streamlining every aspect of the game they would make bots obsolete?

I do not know much about computer programs much less programming, but while I have made mistakes playing the EvE market, those mistakes have never been because the interface is not streamlined enough. They happened because I was tired and not paying attention to what I normally do without a problem or I was rushing to complete an order when I should not have rushed. Could the market interface be made to work in a fashion you prefer? Probably. Do I think the market requires work to make the game better? Not really.

EDIT: If it makes you feel any better the few times I have recently had people over pay me for items I did not get the over payment. It looks like the market ate that extra isk. I am not sure if this is intended or not, but I did not escalate my questions to a petition or bug report.

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Why would you do that?

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  1. I don’t know the person
  2. I don’t know the source of the isk.
  3. Although 3 isn’t a main reason, I don’t actually need it or want it.
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Next time it happens, send it on to me.

I must keep accidently sending you money in my sleep, doh!

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