Caldari offensive on Fliet

[Lugh_Crow-Slave]

Wow the Frogs are even more sensitive than I thought

[Moriar_theChosen]

The Caldari will take it soon.

[Jennifer_Maxwell]

You must have a deadfully low opinion of anyone fighting on behalf of the empires. It doesn’t seem you can imagine an individual actually having stakes in some of these systems, or wanting to secure their resources for as long as one can, or even that people are simply loyal to their chosen empire and decide to serve in a method that keeps ones skills honed

To be honest though, your opinion of us mirrors my opinion of those of you in nullsec. So hopped up on your own glory, and so intent on being rebellious little conquerers that you think what you’re doing is safe outside of Empire control. You seem to honestly believe that if you actually posed a threat, the Empires WOULDN’T just shut down the fluid routers, turn off your gates, and disable your capsules, leaving your populations to starve to death in the darkness between the stars.

Anyone who becomes a capsuleer accepts the leash around their necks. We’re dogs who know who our masters are. You’re dogs who pretend that you’re free.

[Arrendis]

@Jennifer_Maxwell

You must have a deadfully low opinion of anyone fighting on behalf of the empires. It doesn’t seem you can imagine an individual actually having stakes in some of these systems, or wanting to secure their resources for as long as one can, or even that people are simply loyal to their chosen empire and decide to serve in a method that keeps ones skills honed

Not at all. I think there are basically three kinds of capsuleers fighting for the empires.

1. Navy capsuleers—obviously, they’re outside the scope of my opinions on the warzone, and why I feel the fighting in the warzone is meaningless¹.
2. True Believer Loyalists—By this, I don’t just mean Amarr Faithful. I mean the people who truly believe in the cause for their nation, but (for whatever reason²) aren’t in their nation’s navy. True believers’ goals line up with those of their nation, because they’re fighting in order to serve the needs of their people³. Serving your people is an honorable and noble pursuit. It’s just not always one that’s terribly meaningful in the larger scheme of things.
3. ‘Farmers’—These capsuleers aren’t engaging other militia capsuleers. They’re just there to make money. They have no personal loyalty to the nation they’re flying for (which probably changes with the vagaries of the warzone). Their goals are just ‘get rich’, and they tend to avoid fights with other capsuleers.

Of the three, the only ones I hold in low esteem are the third group.

@Jennifer_Maxwell

So hopped up on your own glory, and so intent on being rebellious little conquerers that you think what you’re doing is safe outside of Empire control. You seem to honestly believe that if you actually posed a threat, the Empires WOULDN’T just shut down the fluid routers, turn off your gates, and disable your capsules, leaving your populations to starve to death in the darkness between the stars.

You really know very little about us. Outside the empires’ control? More like ‘beyond their caring’. If the empires wanted, they could crush us like bugs. But they don’t, and it’s not at all difficult to understand why. They don’t crush us because, just like those loyalists, we’re doing exactly what they want us doing.

We’re killing 257 titans in a single day. We’re killing 2500 subcapitals in a single fight. If the empires didn’t want us out here doing this, they wouldn’t have built multiple monuments to days like M2-XFE and B-R5RB.

We’re doing it, and that means they don’t have to. We’re developing doctrines, developing tactics, and then developing counters, and iterating through that process as many as a dozen times in a single month. We’re a laboratory experiment, and all they have to do is keep records of what we’re doing, take everything we learn, and apply those lessons to their own doctrines and fleets.

And it costs them…?

Nothing. Nothing at all. Most of the time, we’re happily collecting bounties from CONCORD, killing the pirate nations the empires would rather see forced into perpetual rebuilding.

So tell me again how I believe that I’m ‘safe outside of empire control’? The fact that we’re pursuing our own agendas, for our own reasons, doesn’t change that. It just means the empires know how to make use of that, too.

@Jennifer_Maxwell

We’re dogs who know who our masters are. You’re dogs who pretend that you’re free.

We’re not dogs. Dogs are valued. Capsuleers aren’t. We’re bullets: not just expendable, but frequently-expended, and easily replaced. We’re so easy to replace, nobody even notices when it happens.

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<sup>1. Because you’ll note, that’s why my opinion was about: the actual activity of fighting to take and hold systems in the warzone. It wasn’t about the people.
2. Maybe they washed out of Navy training. Maybe they ended up with a criminal record after the came out of flight school, so the best they can do is fly in the militia. Maybe they’re delusional and believe being part of the militia makes them a real and legitimate part of their nation’s navy. Lots of reasons these folks are in this group, not the first one.
3. These capsuleers have, historically, been a minority of the participants in the warzone. They just happen to be the ones who make the biggest splash, because the third group… well. They’re the third group.</sup>