Came back yesterday leaving again today

destroyers are glass cannons , they have like 6k ehp
you are saying they have to cost more because ganks
but doesn’t make any sense in normal use like FW
my destroyer t1 fitted costs like 25mil ish in amarr , thats expensive to lose 1 or 2 per log in

Damage varies between different ships within a tier considerably, as ships also have other ways to differentiate themselves aside from damage.

The material jump between tiers of ships loosely follows a 1:5 ratio. If you make destroyers approach the pricing of cruisers (jumping from 2.5M to 10M+, with cruisers being at around the 12-13M point), then destroyers will lose all utility as a ship class, because for just a tiny bit more money you can get something with much more resilience.

And from a practical perspective, raising destroyer costs from 2.5M to 10M wouldn’t have any tangible effect on ganking, but would severely affect the utility of destroyers in all other forms of PvP.

yes
for 50 mil i buy a omen fitted
i mean , its less than 2 destroyers *fitted and is better in every way
if the destroyer get expensive no point to using

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btw its beautiful

“Noticing the alarming increase in Minmatar frigate fleets, the Imperial Navy made its plans for the Coercer, a vessel designed specifically to seek and destroy the droves of fast-moving frigate rebels.”

thats the true purpose of the destroyers , im kinda mad :angry:

Whether you’re in favour of ganking or not (I personally don’t mind at all) one has to admit that the damage potential of destroyers is just too good, getting ~700 dps from a Cata is entirely ridiculous. Lowering the dps while increasing tank or utility means “normal use” isn’t really affected that much if at all, while ganking with them (where you don’t care about tank or utility) is made less easy.

again
you are thinking about your little bubble
in other uses destroyers are balanced
they are glass cannons but loose to well fitted pirate frigates and t2 frigates , and other destroyers
even t1 frigates/and navy could win in the right hands

BTW im no ganker
i lost hundreds of destroyers doing faction warfare pvp

its like wen i said that the assault damage control was OP in low sec, no one listened to me here
im glad the DEVS can see out of the echo chamber and nerfed them

I don’t have a bubble. You’re the one in your FW bubble.

to be clear, ONLY ORCAS , FREIGHTERS AND OTHER SLOOOOOOW SHIPS HAVE TO FEAR destroyers
the guys lost his legion because he is bad
just use your prop mod get some range and kill the destroyers with propper armed ships
i killed 2 HECATES with a t1 omen …

i can murder like at least 5 t1 destroyers with a 50 million cruiser

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you are not used to ships with , uhhh, guns

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Then you’ll be left with a slightly modified, more agile cruiser.

Essentially you’d be nerfing ship variety to accomplish a secondary goal, the merits of which are entirely questionable, because as I said before, if gankers have to use cruisers to gank instead, there will be no tangible change in the ganking environment. Maybe sub-100M haulers won’t die as often, but the big valuable targets, and the mining barges getting killed out of principle, will continue dying at current rates.

If something is used a lot it’s probably too good and needs rebalancing, wouldn’t you say?

I know enough about them to state that your omen fit is below par. Switch to Quads, allows you to fit more tank as well.

If we are talking bubbles, what about salvagers?

While I prefer a semi-dedicated Heron for it, a destroyer is more efficent for speed on large fields.

Its probably their biggest use tbh.

space Jordan Peterson used to say
"get a killboard before trying to change the world "

Heron is probably the best easy access ninja salvager, that’s for sure.

The next-in-line option would get used just as much.

It doesn’t. I agree.
Player goes afk on gate, Player gets ganked, Player comes whining on forum… It’s a story as old as EVE.

Next time, bring a clue.

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That’s ok, I’m sure you won’t mind then.

my sub par omen can kill 2 t3 destroyers … in the same F minute

as i said , my sub par omen can kill 5 t1 destroyers

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As I explained before, I mind it for other reasons that are not related to suicide-ganking.

If you can live without an AB go scram, double web, quads, another plate and a reactive. See what happens.

we need ab web scram to have range control