Can we define “meaningful”

[Mevatla_Vekraspek]

@Elena_Laskova

I don’ t know which of those systems are highSec

Born in 2009, can’t tell the difference between HiSec and Null…

[Teckos_Pech]

@Scipio_Artelius

The problem that is going to be faced by this thread, is the same problem that CCP has faced, and that is there is no consensus in the community. We are too diverse and our play is too diverse. So the best place to find out what collectively we prefer, is to analyse the large amount of data CCP collect, because despite what we say, what we actually do provides the truth of things.

Meaningful, like value, is entirely subjective and varies with each individual.

Why is this even a debate? It is like arguing which dessert is best.

[Dracvlad]

@Ghost_O_Mo

I’d eliminate social corps, or put a cap on how much wealth they can have/ make (to let noobs get started).

I’d introduce 2 tiers of wardecs.

Tier 1: Costs 2 mil for a wardec. You get 1 per month, it lasts a week, and you cannot fly anything better than t1 hulls. Maximum aggressor Corp size of 5 guys. No need for a structure (they wouldn’t be able to defend a structure anyways).

This will downsize and downgun pirates to be beatable.

Tier 2: costs 100 mil. Same restrictions as always. War HQ in effect.

Then I’d make mining 80% less afk by downsizing hulls. This makes people work together to haul and use jetcans. I’d introduce a lower tier of crimewatch for small thefts… which allows the corporation offended to engage without allowing everyone to engage. This will get noobs stealing each other’s stuff and fighting about it.

I’d re-look every pve activity to see if I can figure out a way to make it more profitable if you open yourself up for criminals to hurt you or less profitable if you don’t. That allows the opt out… but incents people to take the risk and mitigate it tactically. Which makes people accept risk, and watch d-scan, work as a team, etc…

I’d give them the option of fighting the criminal in all cases where they are injured.

Oh, and I’d push T3, pirate faction, and triglavian hulls out of highsec.

It’s highsec, let’s make the noobs competitive.

I get the impression that this is a think of the children and gankbear post rolled into I want a theme park for your own gameplay needs.

Quite frankly that is a ridiculous suggestion as hisec is not separate from the rest of Eve.

So in a nutshell what you define as meaningful is for other hisec players to be cannon fodder for your own insipid low energy play.

Perhaps you should create a server with that version of Eve and sit there with no one else playing it? The meaningful play being of course all based around not being can flipped by Mo…

[Elena_Laskova]

@Mevatla_Vekraspek

@Elena_Laskova

I don’ t know which of those systems are highSec

Born in 2009, can’t tell the difference between HiSec and Null…

There are several obvious possible explanations. Someone with a full array of Pennae volatus or less inclination to argumentum ad hominen would have assumed the most likely one, and felt no need to comment.

[Solstice_Projekt]

It’s typically you for not actually listing any of these obvious explanations.

[Elena_Laskova]

Why would I spend time on someone who’s not even smart or honest enough to come up with a decent insult?

You’re an exception because stalkers are fun: little floppy-eared puppies jumping out of hiding and biting my ankles, then looking disappointed when it has no effect. I think it’s cute - and if you practice enough and grow some real teeth, one day you’ll learn to kill your own food.

[Rich_Darine]

Where is your face?

[Elena_Laskova]

I don’t remember how/why Elena became faceless. It’s entirely possible she’s never logged on to EVE, and never went through any form of character customization.

[Ghost_O_Mo]

The low energy, stale, and uninteractive state I perceive in Eve must all be in my head?

And I’m proposing essentially the mechanics we had when Eve had 60,000 concurrent users… but kinder and softer… for you and your safety seeking ilk.

Everyone is actually interacting and having a blast. Meaningful interactions abound…

Hmm. Unnecessary post then…

But won’t you just think of the children!!!

[Dracvlad]

Sorry, I understand that you had a lot of fun with that and you want it back, but I for one did not jet can mine. But while you had fun I remember mining players hating this mechanic, I also remember when all the mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag and died if you sneezed on them that Baltec1 had a lot of fun blowing them up no matter what they did.

The objective is not to work from dead certitude, Baltec1 liked the fact that people bling fitted their mining ships for extra EHP which he was easily able to blow up and make ISK from.

However do you honestly think that restricting people to boring and more time intensive mining will entice people to play and be your prey. And you apply that in hisec where mining is already low return.

The interactions you are talking about is what is happening here and now with Rorquals in nullsec. It has just moved on a notch.

As for hisec it is there in terms of Raitaru’s and Athanors that do give those that are able to stand up for them extra rewards.

[Ghost_O_Mo]

Mining is now afk.

I mean, literally… a venture mines for 15 minutes between clicks.

There is no reason to work together at all.

Now, I know you’re writing a book about booger’s and afk mining works for you… but who the hell wants to join a game that is played afk?

And with no obstacles or obvious interactions?

[Dracvlad]

@Ghost_O_Mo

Mining is now afk.

You say that but I have to keep an eye on it because the roids run out fast, you cannot mine ore AFK, ice maybe.

@Ghost_O_Mo

I mean, literally… a venture mines for 15 minutes between clicks.

That is not the issue, in hisec the roids get sucked dry rather quickly at times.

@Ghost_O_Mo

There is no reason to work together at all.

Except that there is, people do have a boosting ships on field, they also use industrials or freighters to move ore back to the station. There is a still a certain level of that, though most of that is multi-boxers.

@Ghost_O_Mo

Now, I know you’re writing a book about booger’s and afk mining works for you… but who the hell wants to join a game that is played afk?

Semi-observant is what I would call it. I am most certainly not AFK.

@Ghost_O_Mo

And with no obstacles or obvious interactions?

You think so, well I use a Skiff to be hard to kill reducing my yield, I will use Augumented drones from my Orca but will pull them in when others are in system and put out T2’s instead. No obstacles and no interactions? I create that by using ships that are difficult to blow up. I am toying with having a Hulk in the bay of my Orca and switching between that and the Skiff.

It is all relative to what one does and thinks.

[Ghost_O_Mo]

Think of the children, Drav. You heartless bastard…

[Dracvlad]

o7 Still the Athanors in 0.5 systems are also the step up, you should look into that aspect.

[Ghost_O_Mo]

I’m one of those players who just can’t handle that kind of white-knuckle, heart pumping action.

Thanks for the invite.

I don’t understand why you hate children.

[Dracvlad]

@Ghost_O_Mo

I don’t understand why you hate children.

In a good restaurant where parents don’t keep their little dears under control I hate children, but I hate their parents more…

[Ghost_O_Mo]

Don’t allow all that hate to define you, Drav. You don’t have to live like this.

Your angst is so clear in your writing, your playstyle.

I’m worried about you.

[Whitehound]

@Ghost_O_Mo

Giving isk doesn’t do this. Giving ships doesn’t do this. …

When you truly believe this then do give me all your ISKs and ships. I’ll happily take everything that isn’t of meaning to you.

Thanks in advance.

[Mevatla_Vekraspek]

VAE VICTIS

[Traco_Miritu]

@Nora_Maldoran

For the record: There is an entire genre called “souls like” games.

Yes and they all failed …

Best example : Lords of the fallen