Capsule Subsystem Holostorage EH-CN-J44-003

[Miran_Tereven]

@Arrendis

You mean when the active phase of the invasion ended?

It happened before then.

@Arrendis

Nobody’s claiming it’s a typical doctrine. I’m simply saying that unless you are claiming to be directly familiar with all doctrine loadouts used by every single part of the Caldari Navy under all circumstances and for all missions, you cannot authoritatively state that those ships—and only the State-provided ships—were refitted to non-doctrinaire specifications.

And for the third time, I am not allowed to comment on that.

[Jennifer_Maxwell]

I wish to note that he methods, and yes, failures of the Navy were not homogenous throughout the systems that were invaded. A major factor of what lead to Invader successes was support by pro-Triglavian capsuleers, and where these could be effectively countered, we saw the Navy holding space.

Ichoriya was a hard fought for system, but ultimately fell due to Triglavian-aligned capsuleers efforts, and a reprioritization of defense targets by the capsuleer-lead EDF. There was also a subversive effort by the Gallente militia to counter Navy and Protectorate efforts in the system, since it was the main enterence to lowsec Black Rise from the highsec regions, and therefore a major logistical target.

Samanuni, however, was a different matter, with lighter elements from both the Triglavian-aligned capsuleers, and the EDF. Being a major population center for the Rise, it was heavily defended by the Navy, and I myself watched many battles take place where in the Navy won the skirmishes. The heavily populated planet Kysoma, sixth planet from the sun, was a major battleground, and my organization provided spaceborn defenses for the planet in the form of an Astrahus command station, and a Raitaru configured for logistics and defense. With the help of our guns, a great number of Triglavians met their deaths.

I had the privilege of fighting alongside the honorable Akimaka Saraki himself in defense of Samanuni, and saw under his leadership the disorganization and disunity that seemed to plague the Navy in other sectors, dissipate, as mist in the morning sun. We will see what happens going forwards, but I’m optimistic. And as someone who comes from an irradiated, wartorn, dying desert planet, I generally abstain from optimism.

[Miran_Tereven]

@Jennifer_Maxwell

I wish to note that he methods, and yes, failures of the Navy were not homogenous throughout the systems that were invaded. A major factor of what lead to Invader successes was support by pro-Triglavian capsuleers, and where these could be effectively countered, we saw the Navy holding space.

True. The best example of this was when the Kybernauts all flocked to Kothe, and all seventy of them got thwarted by eleven Nagas, whilst the rest of the EDENCOM-aligned capsuleers secured the Usi system. There we got to nurse them with Logi and that allowed them to do the deed.

@Jennifer_Maxwell

Ichoriya was a hard fought for system, but ultimately fell due to Triglavian-aligned capsuleers efforts, and a reprioritization of defense targets by the capsuleer-lead EDF.

Not true. I fought in Ichoriya and we were there for three days straight with barely any sleep, we never re-prioritized. This was before the CSF replaced the EDENCOM formations for the purpose of Caldari system defence, and before EDI ditched it’s missile Praxis doctrine.

@Jennifer_Maxwell

There was also a subversive effort by the Gallente militia to counter Navy and Protectorate efforts in the system, since it was the main enterence to lowsec Black Rise from the highsec regions, and therefore a major logistical target.

That is true, because they are a bunch of venomous snakes.

@Jennifer_Maxwell

Samanuni, however, was a different matter, with lighter elements from both the Triglavian-aligned capsuleers, and the EDF. Being a major population center for the Rise, it was heavily defended by the Navy, and I myself watched many battles take place where in the Navy won the skirmishes. The heavily populated planet Kysoma, sixth planet from the sun, was a major battleground, and my organization provided spaceborn defenses for the planet in the form of an Astrahus command station, and a Raitaru configured for logistics and defense. With the help of our guns, a great number of Triglavians met their deaths.

Thank you for the help.

@Jennifer_Maxwell

I had the privilege of fighting alongside the honorable Akimaka Saraki himself in defense of Samanuni, and saw under his leadership the disorganization and disunity that seemed to plague the Navy in other sectors, dissipate, as mist in the morning sun.

Wholesome.

[Jennifer_Maxwell]

Perhaps I am misremembering, but I had thought it was at that time that the organization had decided to shift priorities. I’ll defer to your experience though, my presence in the system was limited, and I was mostly going off second hand reports as I worked on logistics and organization for the defense of Asakai and Samanuni.

[Miran_Tereven]

@Jennifer_Maxwell

Perhaps I am misremembering, but I had thought it was at that time that the organization had decided to shift priorities. I’ll defer to your experience though, my presence in the system was limited, and I was mostly going off second hand reports as I worked on logistics and organization for the defense of Asakai and Samanuni.

The one you’re thinking of was Wirashoda. We were already very slowly losing it, but around 19% we heard that Bei got invaded. At this point Niarja had already fallen, so if they had gotten Bei it would have cut high security space in half. It was yet another three-day grind.