So your entire post is trolling eve forums. Got it.
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Not pictured: a solution. Until you come up with an actionable idea you’re just whining about alts existing.
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First off, learn to quote. It’ll make your posts so much more readable.
I responded (quite succinctly) to your summarized points, which you could have put at the top of your OP but chose not to.
My brother, you wrote an 8-page, 1900 word essay (not counting screenshots!) with a title that in no way indicated the subject matter you planned to discuss. You didn’t even have the common decency to write an introductory paragraph describing the point you were about to make. You just went straight into storytime.
A good writer knows and writes to their audience. Who were you writing to here?
Do you see a way to resolve the other problems you enumerate? Because I didn’t note where you offered any solutions at all. You spent 1900 words to say, “I don’t like alts, I don’t think anyone should use them, and I just want to complain about that.”
To have corpmates, you have to be in a corp. If you’re in a corp, you probably have the opportunity and at least some interest in working with other people. Even in a corp though, you can’t expect that someone will always be available at your beck and call. Self-sufficiency and teamwork are not mutually exclusive.
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So pay for one month of Omega, train up a cyno alt, and then let the account go Alpha. When you need to jump your freighter, pay for a weekend pass for three days of Omega on your alt.
And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. To some extent, we all have to live in the world as it exists.
I’m not trying to advocate for having a stable of alts, and I have a very poor opinion of multiboxing. I’m a 16+ year player, and I have exactly two alts, one of which exists at the request of and solely for the benefit of my alliance. The other alt is my general utility alt that can do quite a few useful things, and whom I log on approximately once every three months.
As I said previously, self-sufficiency and teamwork are not mutually exclusive. There’s a reason why, even on a single account, you have three character slots.
Yes, some of us don’t think two paragraphs is a lot to read.
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I would like to take this opportunity to point out a few things that seem to be getting lost in conversation and unrelated debates.
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My post was directed towards CCP
This was done in the hopes it would be noticed by them in some way.
I thank any and all of you who have come here, read the post, and have taken the time to reply.
If you don’t want to read the whole thing, or you feel i am wrong, please remember that this post wasn’t written with you in mind, and it’s not my job to entertain you or tell you things you want to hear. -
The concern that brought me to a public area like this with the long explanatory post was not “Alts are bad” in general.
Specifically it was “Concurrently run omega accounts disrupt the very foundations of what builds a healthy community, and CCP seems to want to keep and indeed rely upon a healthy community for its continuance.”
I don’t think this is valid logic, essentially I’m in what I’d describe as a healthy gaming community within EvE and we pretty much all have several Omega accounts. Some more than others, but most have at least a couple.
It seems you have had a bad experience in finding a corp/alliance where people were not friendly or appreciative of your style of gameplay, and you have reasoned that this is due to the number of Omega accounts they are running and then have leapt from the specific to the general (a logical fallacy) and concluded that all multiboxers are bad and multiboxing is ruining the game, which does not appear to be true, from my perspective. Or, I suspect, the perspective of CCP.
I suggest you look around for other corps/alliances, until you find some like minded people, who are happy to play with you in a style you appreciate. Or go play some other game with a community more to your liking.
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Don’t take this reply personally, it’s more for people that missed the first two posts. But also to show you your mistakes.
1 - If you clickbait, don’t expect respect from people, people give you the same respect you give them. I already showed you your mistake in the title, FAT LIVER would be a better approach based on your intentions, which you disclosure later.
2 - The second mistake, thinking CCP will read it, this place is only from players interaction, with no intervention from CCP, otherwise lots of people would be banned already. CCP does not see, CCP does not act.
3 - Your last mistake, you assumed your agenda had any future, not only this topic is not new, it’s not illegal and it cannot be undone. I also addressed this in a previous post which you ignored… Your approach is simply unrealistic, not to mention a small number of alts is very convenient an most people will decided to have them, in a game with so much shenanigans relying on self it the only 99% secure option. I respect everybody’s agenda, as long as they are honest, you started with a doom approach and converged to “let’s fix EVE”. It won’t happen, I addressed the why way above.
Disclaimer: I have no alt, but I want to, I’m just damn poor lol. I don’t think 2-3 alts is the end of the game. It’s how EVE works, everybody is pulling some shenanigans… If you ain’t doing it, you playing it wrong. It’s not others fault.
Bottom line: I agree 20+ alts is a problem, but CCP went for the greed, and also stupid path, not only they don’t pay anymore, they disrupt the others gameplay, but now the fix is almost impossible.
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Then you would have been better off writing them a letter, submitting a support ticket, filing a bug report, or posting to Discord because CCP does not read these forums. In fact, you’d have a better chance of CCP seeing your manifesto had you posted to /r/eve rather than here.
Imagine the traction you might have gotten had you plainly and concisely communicated that from the start.
So nobody is forcing people to subscribe to multiple accounts and you’re just trolling eve forums with this nonsense.
isd’s are empowered by ccp to do whatever they want on these forums. That makes them an official voice of ccp.
How is 20+ alts a problem? How do you figure people with 20+ alts arent paying?
Someone is buying plex for people to buy for omega, and alt armies pay with the most valuable resource anyone has; Time.
I use a criteria where trivializing the entire content with your own raid of self x using some helpful alts to oil the machinery.
I guess the people with 20+ alts have a different PoV, last time I checked the idea of public forums is to expose ideas. So I took it as an honest question, there’s your answer.
I also considered, if you have 20+ alts you really don’t need others around, a server only for yourself is the same thing. Wherever you need you go and get it, based on this I realized this can’t be healthy gaming. You know, inference.
The second question you answered yourself.
Is there something wrong with me asking for your opinion?
So how does that work in a coalition? Nobody else is needed for anything, then why would so many multiboxers make coalitions that control whole swaths of null for example?
So being self sufficient is not healthy?
Ok, so my answer is
which still leaves the question to you with your statement of
I know that everyone omega pays in one form or another. Someone is paying more for plex than omega costs, and people are spending the only real currency they have (time) to get enough isk to plex.
I know some people have this weird idea that their time has no value but thats on them. It isn’t true, they just devalue themselves. Having constant players is healthy for this game and is even required. The time being spent allows for the content that so many people seek.
So i have a new question. You say people with 20+ alts disrupt other peoples gameplay. How? How is someone having alts disrupting your ability to play?
One mouth breather dumping 20 Catalysts on you while mining is disruptive, I would think. The same as one mouth breather eating up an entire ice field would be to the other miners as well.
is that not content?
What would be the difference between one person using 20 catas to gank and 20 people using catas to gank? At least the multiboxer has to spend a little extra time getting all 20 to start firing unless they are input broadcasting, which is against the rules.
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Players aren’t content, they’re a mediocre replacement for mildly advanced AI, just more annoying.
So pvp is not content?
Nope.
Are you aware this is the eve online forums?
“PvP is a core element of the EVE Online experience and provides a crucial portion of the cycle of creation and destruction that drives New Eden’s economy.” - CCP