:facepalm: CCP is an untrustworthy purveyor of limited edition assets

The video is pretty interesting and I have to adjust my position a little. What CCP is doing here has in essence only remotely something to do with the game and absolutely nothing with game play at all. They directly incite FOMO for an item that can only be acquired via their cash shop.

I would have no problem if this item was used to cause FOMO in-game, to play the game and acquire it via an in-game event for example.

Yes in this specific case we actually should call them out, because as OP already mentioned CCP has a history of not honoring the very thing they try to advertise here, a limited asset. I see no value in looking the other way or even defending them for their deceiving anti-customer practice.

I mean they added the hypernet thing… but that is another topic

My complaints are not because I care about people getting scammed out of money, it’s more about how that makes me perceive CCP and how I don’t want to be a customer myself of a company that deceives and treats their customers this way.

All in all, I fail to see a reason that anyone should actually defend CCP on this. EVE doesn’t get better and this things will not stop if we constantly look the other way or even call people out for mentioning their deceiving practices. We have seen from history that CCP really sometimes needs to feel the sticks before they realize they are completely on the wrong track.

Just to end this on a positive thought. Imagine instead of adding this skins to the cash shop they would add them as a auto applied achievement reward for mastering some difficult or dangerous PvE content. You could not sell it or buy it on the market. All you could do is parade it around and show off that you bested that content. Imagine if you get one for destroying a certain amount of value in PvP or participating in a big battle. They could do so much with only skins to make the game more rewarding and interesting and actually attract more players this way that are both good for the game and their bottom line for the long term, not just short term profits.

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I baught 5 of them just for fun. They are dirt cheep just 2.5B or so. just get one, such a useless and cheep item does not deserve its own thread.

also inb4
#nopoors

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Well, I I think I agree with everything you said. Two things, however:

First, they actually have already started introducing non-tradeable skins that can be earned through game play (i.e. the arena and live events) -which I like. So, hopefully they’ll keep going with it.

Second, has CCP actually broken their word on re-issuing things that they would never say that they would sell again? If so, then yeah, that’s messed up. But it is my understanding that they have not done that. From what I’ve seen, the complaints have been coming from customers who thought they had purchased something that would never be sold again, when in fact they bought something that was “about to go back into the vault”. So, I suppose you could argue that they should do a better of job of communicating to customers whether or not the item will be made available again in the future.

So, AFAIK, they haven’t broken their word on this… yet. Of course, I don’t see why they would have to. I mean, even if they wanted to do a lazy cash grab, they could just do a pallet swap, and then BOOM, new item. Maybe add/remove a few greebles if they want to make it slightly less obvious.
No P2W

Speaking of which, is there some RP reason for this, or is this just one of the laziest skins they’ve ever made?

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That song is terrible.

Thank you for posting it :slight_smile:

So, I am a bit confused. The premise of this thread is that trustworthy corporations exist? Is that correct? In my opinion, the thread could be simplified to “CCP is a corporation” - which would avoid all this confused back-and-forth about morality from the 1850s and how to run your family’s small town dairy farm.

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Is someone saying that “following through on your word” and “keeping your word” is simply outdated morality that shouldn’t be followed now?

And although Bjork is great, posting about her on these forums could get a person in trouble. CCP has an extruded business relationship with the other CCP and that other group is unhappy with Bjork, and could poke our CCP for allowing posts about her.

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I am saying that corporations, by their fundamental nature, are amoral and cannot be judged in terms of human morality. Although they are “in theory” run by humans, the truth is that all of those humans are just doing their jobs and obeying their bosses.

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The bosses can then be held as the most accountable for the word given from the corporation. The trick is to remove the obscurity of levels of bureaucracy in order to expose the men and women behind the curtain.

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Do you think shareholders care one bit about vague marketing statements that were made years ago with no binding contract?

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This… thing… is flawed from the start.

Limited edition:
an edition of a book, or reproduction of a print or object, limited to a specific number of copies.

Not time.

I have not seen how many units are issued. I thing it’s just a timer.
Maybe I’m wrong.

It is far apart from “single issue” or “limited offer” I don’t know how many other terms out there. I’m not an expert in the matter but was just curious and googled the term.

I think I agree with OP, 40% give or take. But it’s just because I think the EULA says someone owns it all, somewhere.

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Also,

: an issue of something collectible (such as books, prints, or medals) that is advertised to be limited to a relatively small number of copies

M. Webster

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I don’t think something you don’t “own” can be defined as “collectible”

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They care if it affects the value of their shares. And in these days of panic selling with as little as a 0.5% to a 1.0% drop in share price, PA should not put a short term gain over a long term loss of disappointed players.

But they won’t. Everything revolves around the next quarterly report so they’ll keep doing the things they do that will sink the company but have upper management laughing all the way to the bank.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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…these humans’ decision making abilities have been usurped by the computer models that dictate to the boss how to think about his customers and everyone else is just ‘following orders’ if they want to keep their job.
In conclusion, when one deals with a corporation he is automatically dealing with ripoffs, lies and shills.
As if TV advertisements didn’t teach us that enough times.

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And I’m a bit confused about how the assumption that corporations are in general not trustworthy invalidates the criticism of them or is in any way a good reason to not be vocal about it.

I mean if you don’t care about it, fine, but then why post in this thread. Or is your idea just because you don’t care everyone else has to not care either?

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Ok, fine, I’m gonna start ganking Highsec in protest.

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No one is making you buy these. The game is incredible and constantly interesting.

Focusing so much energy on something tiny, like a clothing item’s turbulent history, is just a waste of your game time.

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The only thing interesting is the ship loss and unfortunately I have neither the time to grind nor the money to spend to keep me flying and entertained.
I’ve only logged in to get the SP for the past two weeks and I ask myself ‘why’ everytime I do it. Maybe I’m hoping that at some time in our near future they’d make the game more accessible and fun.

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You don’t have to play EvE. Either try something new in game or take a break.

And combat is really fun for sure. But so is seeing Sabres come out of the oven and sell in 5 minutes at outrageous prices. :slight_smile:

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Been taking a break. As I already said, I only log in for the SP.

Nah, that’s the most boring ■■■■ I ever saw in a game.

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Princess Aiko is coming out with a new combination of tic-tac-toe and hopscotch. You could try that.

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