The devblog says:
The intent behind these upcoming changes is to support a healthy and live open market, allowing competition to remain fair between players.
Only one word in that sentence has anything to do with bots.
Even the ingame tooltip says:
SCC regulations aimed at reducing market volatility mandate a cost for relisting…
You can call it as you see it, but the result is that it kills market trading as a playstyle, one that has been for ages. It is one of the core activities of some. Practically destroying the game fora big part of its active players. Its like cutting the leg becasue it has a scratch on it. Until CCP delivers a logic design for their decision, the only viable truth is that they want more money from users or who is in charge of economy design is not an EvE player and does all of these rookie mistakes.
Can I have your stuff?
I think this is a fabulous change to get rid of the 0.01 changes. That always was an extremely stupid mechanic. I’m not sure why some people think this is the end of trading though. The market will adapt just without the stupid pointless 0.01 changes.
Just so you know, actual traders and trade guides from the people who make billions, hundreds of billions and even trillions on the market essentially all tell you to abandon the .01 ISKing to the bots and the crazy people who indulge in it.
“Know your market, package and price your orders properly, post them and leave them” is the most typical advice.
(PS: When you need to start conjuring armies of bots with ‘infinite sources’ of ISK, products etc. to support your argument, you know you’ve let your passion run away from your reason. Suck it up, buttercup. Which is exactly what you would have told anyone else writing about some CCP change to their cash flow or playstyle.)
Everyone? Remember that inflation is a thing. If everyone is making tons of ISK then prices go up until you’re right back to where you started. You can make 100 million ISK/hour vs 10 million ISK/hour, but the price of the thing you want will just go from 1 billion ISK to 10 billion ISK. And the people who buy PLEX now will continue to do it.
As for bots, are they not connected?
Because they are two separate bots with two separate effects on the game and two separate counter-botting strategies. Removing 0.01 ISK market botting is just like (hypothetically) increasing NPC aggro against drones to nerf combat PvE botting. You wouldn’t complain that the drone change doesn’t deal with market botting, so why bring PvE botting into a discussion of anti-botting strategies in a market context?
the market bot can still be used to set up sales and relist at lower prices
Except the point is that you don’t want to do this. Change fees will rapidly destroy your income, so the frequency of changes is very low and a bot is redundant. You aren’t going to be modifying orders by 0.01 ISK every 5 minutes 23 hours a day anymore.
Nope. It just makes market trading be about smart play, understanding the market, and seizing opportunities instead of literally nothing more than an ISK reward for sitting at your PC as many hours a day as possible to do constant 0.01 ISK adjustments. Smart market players will still make tons of ISK.
I don’t have to agree with everything written in the post in order to appreciate a well thought-out and expressed post like this one.
i agree with Karen, nicely expressed post, Gowa 
Well you have no clue how station trading works…
Since when is a tax actually bad for a government, LOL!
I’m the guy who always increased in the upper digits on purpose just to trigger 0.01 people like you. I think I will be fine. I see no problem with people like you gone from the market.
I think you are very confused about how the bots in question work. We aren’t talking about end-to-end botting where a fully automated account produces stuff and then sells it on the market, the market bots in question are purely market bots. They do nothing but update buy/sell orders to compensate for the fact that an actual player can’t be at their PC 23/7. The actual production is still done by human players, so they can’t just eat the massive losses of frequent price updates.
I can’t. But that’s getting into an entirely separate kind of botting. And if you want to fully automate the process there’s no reason to get into 0.01 ISK wars, just sell your stuff to the highest buy order ASAP. The 0.01 ISK market bots only exist when someone cares about maximizing their sale prices.
If players can still afford to relist their sales at a limited amount, so can bots.
But, again, the incentive to use a bot at all is gone. You don’t need a bot to set a price and modify it once every month at most, you only need the bot if you have to make constant 0.01 ISK adjustments to keep your market position. That entire mechanic is gone now.
I admit removing the 0.01isk mechanic might be healthy in the end.
And maybe it will actually be bad. We can’t say, but we can say that CCP has the balls to test changes that important.
filaments, BO, cyno change, ore change, reworking the moons… You can’t know how good it will be unless you try it. Sure changes hurt people, but 100% of successful idea have started with a “let’s try this”.
well that is only the proof you cant think logically/
2 years ago someone wrote something.
if they have the way to detect bots, they can ban bots and solve the problem.
BUT THEY ARE NOT DOING IT.
hundreds of Youtube videos of “mining bots”, “vni ratting bots” and “autopilot jump to zero to gate bots”
and no any single valid “market bots videos”.
only some of “hey i am trying to sell something but Evil Bot cuts my price, i swear”
yea
minus 10000 active players,
who cares…
so your only proof is “BECAUSE I THINK SO!!!”
right?
ok, go to Jita, put Buy order for Tritanium.
after that please create script,
which calculates +0.01 price
and changes price for your order
ok?
how much time do you need?
(next thing i am going to ask - create script for Tritanium AND Morphite)
Fixed that for you.
Right now, there is no legitimate proof that there where huge amount of market bots. CCP can claim many things. Just because someone is .01 you all day long doesn’t mean he is a bot. And as far I remember, whole fight over market bots started only because players cried. Not because any data.
It’s not about how hard is to create script but how many orders are actually run by scripts.
Have we established that CCP truly does want to get rid of bots?