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[One_Ugly_Cat]

[Arthur_Aihaken]

AI slop?

[Lucy_Alfrir]

I don’t think so, but definitely TL:DR

[Gloria_Exercitus]

@One_Ugly_Cat

The real reason walking in stations never became anything is that full-body, real-time, seamlessly networked multiplayer at that scale is a genuinely unsolved technical problem.

No it isn’t. Second Life has been doing full body 3 renditions of players since 2003. In fact just a month before EVE started. I regularly visit systems there that can portray 100 highly rendered avatars all dancing at a club…to a high degree of detail. The technology, particularly the use of mesh for stunningly life-like avatar rendition, has existed for years.

[Aiko_Danuja]

Vily lied, TEST died.

[Christine_Creed]

@One_Ugly_Cat

you build one dedicated, physically wired venue

So, you want FC to just whip up a dedicate venue…just like that.

@One_Ugly_Cat

It’s expensive

Ah, theres the bottleneck.

[AristaBarret]

The emperor is wearing no clothes. We are all fools.

[Gerard_Amatin]

@One_Ugly_Cat

But look at the result. Every emblem in this game, on your ship, on your corp sticker, is a scratched-up, degraded version of what someone actually designed. It’s ugly. And it’s been sitting there so long most of us just stopped seeing it.

But once I did see it, it started to look like a symbol of something bigger. A legally sound decision that quietly made the game world worse, made without anyone in the room asking whether it looked bad in practice.

Some people may think it looks bad, I have no doubts.

I think it looks good.

The weathered scratched look on all of our ships that makes every logo have a coherent theme despite all being designed by totally different people is a nice touch. And it makes sense too that our mostly used and weathered ships aren’t flawless with their logos. So no, I do not think it makes the game world worse.

But this is pretty subjective and doesn’t seem to be the main topic of the thread, so I’ll continue to what you wanted to talk about.

@One_Ugly_Cat

LAN parties are over thirty years old. Take that concept and scale it: instead of thousands of players scattered across the internet, all fighting the latency and desync problems that force TiDi to exist, you build one dedicated, physically wired venue where the actual simulation runs at full speed with effectively zero latency between machines. Then you let players connect to it remotely, streaming their input in and their video out, the way cloud gaming already works. You get the zero-latency benefit of a real LAN without making five thousand people fly anywhere.

Yea, explain how we play with zero latency if we’re all connecting to one ‘building’ from all across the world.

This is unrealistic talk of someone who doesn’t know how the internet works.

Also have you considered that ‘doing all the computations in one building’ is practically what happens now with the EVE server?

The only differences of what you propose versus what we have now is:

• FCCP now has to do all the client calculations too on top of the server calculations, and has to cut some of the server budget to get compute for the clients too, delaying server upgrades
• players cannot gain benefit from upgrading their own system, they’re limited by the server-side rendering
• latency now no longer is between server and the centralized client calculations, but you still have the same latency between client and the player as before due to physical distance of players to the (client) server, so you’re not winning anything

I don’t see the point.

It seems like a worse situation than we’re in now.

@One_Ugly_Cat

Nobody is talking like this.

Yea, there may be a reason nobody is talking like this.

At first sight it makes zero sense.

[Aiko_Danuja]

Do you think we could rent a stadium and do a massive LAN party? Instead of playing long-distance, we could all connect directly to the servers.

[Gerard_Amatin]

Could be fun!

I can smell it already too, all those EVE players together in a zero-latency environment.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

TiDi won’t be caused by the servers this time. It’ll be the air quality