Coercer damage fit

I want to make a fit for my coercer to do SOE epic arc missions, the first 20 mission are easy, but later on, when I try to go head on with those NPC, I took many serious damage and have to run away to recover.

I checked the EVE uni fit, but I have no money to get those meta 3 guns. this is my fit, its around 100 DPS but somehow, maybe is my skills too bad or the NPC to strong, its not enough.

[Coercer, Random Rick’s Coercer]
Small I-a Enduring Armor Repairer
100mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
100mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates

5MN Microwarpdrive I
Small Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I

oh btw people told me to replace those armour plates, but I can’t find the right replacement. I want some nano coats to reduce damage, but dont know which.

please help, thanks.

Detail will be depending on your skills, but my first thoughts:

I’d replace the two armour plates with a Damage Control and a Heat Sink. The Damage Control will increase the resistance of your tank (armour and shield) to taking damage. This is good in an absolute sense and because it makes you run the armour repairer less.
The Heat Sink is a simple “more damage from the turrets” module.
Normally you want better resistances for an active (repairer based) tank, and plates and resistance on a buffer (sheer mass of armour) tank.
The change will give you less overall armour, but it will improve your repair rate and firepower.

Try an Afterburner (a 1MN jobbie) and a Cap Recharger in the mid-slots. The MWD is very capacitor demanding and reduces the size of your capacitor. And while it’s running it also makes you a lot easier to hit. Yes, you are fast, but if you are low skilled there’s a lot of downsides to it. You won’t be as fast, but you will be more effective.
A capacitor recharger will give you a lot more benefit during a mission than the relatively small increase a small battery gives - I like batteries on some ships, but in this case you want recharge rate. Keep an eye on the capacitor and don’t let it drop below about 25% - below that the recovery (recharge) really tails off and you end up in a nasty hole. Remember: Standard crystals may do less damage than Multifrequency, but they also consume a lot less capacitor. If you don’t need the punch to kill a frigate…

You’ve not fitted Rigs. They really are worth it. As a suggestion have a look at a combination of:
Explosive Armour Reinforcer (the Kinetic could help as well) to improve the armour’s resistance to damage.
Semiconductor Memory Cell (or a Capacitor Control Circuit) to improve your capacitor performance.
Energy Turret Metastasis Adjuster - this improves the tracking of your weapons to give you a better chance against small fast moving targets. The alternative is a Collision Accelerator to increase the damage output of the turrets.
You get to choose three rigs - play around in the simulation since they aren’t cheap and a destroyed when removed as opposed to modules that are more swappable.

100 dps is going to be a limit on the SoE missions - though the changes above should give you nearer to 120 dps, you can add more with skills. The last mission is the most demanding on firepower and requires at least 100 dps to break Dagan’s defences (he can repair at that rate).
Train up some of the gunnery and engineering skills to make your life easier.

I’m happy to work through a more detailed fit with you - catch up with me in game if you wish - but that should give you a good starting point. The Coercer is a good destroyer, pretty with a good punch to it - going down the dual beam laser route is a good way to start.

Good luck, The SoE arc is a nice series of missions - an interesting introduction to a lot of New Eden and the various factions.

A few things:

  • There are those 2 missions in the SOE line that are difficult on purpose, they’re a hurdle to overcome. Just like old school Hogger in WOW they pretty much force you to team up with other players, teaching you about teaming up and perhaps even create friendships as you go. So while you CAN do it solo that is really just for alts who have some experience and finanicial means to either upgrade their ship “properly” or to have upgraded to a cruiser in the mean time. True starting players will probably lack the experience, fitting knowledge, skillpoints and SP focus to make it happen.

  • EVE uni has a great wiki but their fits are really really bad. Partially because they’re just bad and partially because some specific fits have a different use and scenario in mind than what you’re dealing with. This problem is not specific to EVE uni fits, pretty much all online fit repositories including the in game community fits are mostly bad and being new you aren’t able to distinguish the bad from the good. That’s really annoying as one would hope that going online to get help for a fit would actually help you but in EVE generally that’s not the case.

  • there are two hurdles in that mission line: Kristan (or whatever his name is) and Dagan. What is important to understand is that the first one is weak to laser damage types, which is good, but Dagan himself is very much tanked versus your laser damage and that means you need to have an excess of raw dps in order to overcome his tank. This further enhances the issue you’ll have as a newbie to complete it on your own.

  • you state to have money issues, this shouldn’t be as the career tutorials give you some 10-12 mil isk in total. If you haven’t done those yet open up the Agency, go to Agents & missions, select career agents and set destination to one. Dock at their station and you’ll find it has 5 agents. Go do all missions for all those 5 agents, you’ll get a bunch of ships for free and a lot of isk. Given that you’re probably in Gallente space for SOE you’re redirected to a Gallente career agent hub but that’s ok, you can still use your own ships for it.

TL;DR

  • In your specific case being a newbie using lasers and short on cash, just ask for help for those last 2 missions instead of trying to do it on your own, it’s pretty much done that way on purpose. Either ask in local or in Rookie Help channel, you’re bound to find someone willing to help you.

  • it seems you didn’t do the career tutorials, go do those.

  • EVE uni wiki is awesome, their fits are not. Don’t rely on those.

If you really DO want to do it on your own here’s a fit that will do it but it’s very much made specifically for Dagan as it uses pulse lasers where for “normal” pve you generally want to use beam lasers.

[Coercer, Dagan]

Heat Sink I
Heat Sink I
Small ACM Compact Armor Repairer

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger

Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

Multifrequency S x8

ok thanks. I do have 11M ISK, but because I never joined a player corp, I loose 1000-10000 ISK every mission I do. I can afford normal stuff, but try to buy Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I in Gallente space is just not possible. Small Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I is just slightly better than a light beam laser, but its like 10 times the price. I might need to go back to my home station (Deepari) and get some. no idea why things are more expensive in Arnon.

You only really want to buy and sell in trade hubs, these are player selected stations we all chose to trade in for that area of space. The gallente hub is in Dodixie so you have a better chance there but these days that trade hub is in decline resulting in less obvious stuff simply not being for sale or at massive markups.

Just make it a habit to go to Jita to buy and sell your stuff, that or Amarr if you’re in Amarr space.

isn’t Jita crazily dangerous?

also, does using 2 or more cap rechargers give you negative effect?

so I changed my fits, got 132 DPS, pretty happy with it. thanks guys.

[Coercer, Random Rick’s Coercer]
Small I-a Enduring Armor Repairer
Heat Sink I
Heat Sink I

Cap Recharger I
1MN Afterburner I

Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I

Multifrequency S x8

any improvements though?

Only if you’re silly enough to carry a silly amount of valuables in a silly undertanked ship, while choosing to remain clueless about how things work in EVE.

A normal player going in there to buy and sell their wares, using a tanked ship while not carrying 10s of millions of loot, is fine. And there are other means to lower your risk as well. For a newbie just buying his basic ship fit the only risk is about going afk while in space, which you just don’t do around Jita.

TL;DR in your specific case you’ll be fine.

That is not going to be enough for Dagan, you need ~120 dps but since he’s tanked versus your damage types you need more. And those numbers are about SLOWLY killing him, taking ages. You want MORE dps.

By changing the beams to pulses you get more short range dps, which is what you want in this case.

OK. That’s a pretty good fit - have a crack at the Arc, it’ll probably be fine. I’m happy to come and assist with Dagan and others if you get stuck.
You did the right thing by asking here.

Don’t sweat the tax take of the NPC corp - if you are happy where you are that’s the most important thing. A common mistake is to grind and optimise until Eve stops being fun.
As you soon realise, while 1,000 or 10,000 ISK is a big deal when you are a new player, as you progress sums like that become noise rather than relevant.
Looting the mission wrecks can help. Salvaging likewise, but that’s trading time for income (the usual balance in Eve).

Jita - I avoid it, mainly because it’s not local for me and I can’t be bothered with the traffic and noise. Amarr is so much more civilised and is my normal home base. As a market it’s able to meet all my needs and consume all my products.
Again, preferences and enjoyment over squeaky optimisation - there are things I optimise because enjoy it (really!). But not in everything.
Not everything is cheaper at Jita.

I’ve probably got a set of meta dual pulses knocking around in my loot stores. I’ll have a look.

Two cap rechargers both give benefit - there may be a stacking penalty (where the 2nd gives less benefit than the first) but they never cancel each other out.

Forgot to mention this, there is no stacking penalty for cap rechargers.
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties

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yeah my home is Deepari. only 4 jumps from the Oris.

how much raw DPS is needed to take Dagan? should I get a cruiser? I have a Maller blueprint.

also, whats the highest meta tech 1 beam laser? I think it would be a good idea to buy higher meta weapons to boost. DPS.

thanks. I was kinda confused when I see the grouping/stacking penalties.

If you’re using lasers then I’d say 160 is the minimum for you to even want bother trying, a well built cruiser will get the job done as well. You’re really just better off asking for help tbh, get it done in minutes. I often help people when I’m in the area and many others do the same.

Man just now I was AFK in a mission. lost my ship and everything!

so I spend 5 M to buy all the stuff I need and fly to everywhere to get them. :frowning:

so I fit pulse lasers on my new coercer, but the DPS is somehow even lower. beam = 132.9, pulse = 131. why?

Ok. Hopefully you learnt that lesson. Eve continues even when you aren’t there. Being AFK outside of a station isn’t safe.

Glad you were able to replace your ship. A loss is often a chance to fly a different configuration and apply your learning to make something better.

That DPS difference is not really relevant in practice - the balance between similar meta turrets is quite good. You’ll easily compensate by better tracking.

Don’t do that.

As for your dps issue, you probably changed to a different fit or use different crystals. Multifrequency are the short range high dps crystals.

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lesson learnt. but isn’t beam laser high DPS short range? I load multifrequency to a beam and a pulse, the pulse is higher DPS. but when I put 8 beam or 8 pulse with same crystal, beam have high DPS. is it because I have 2 heat sink?

Beam lasers are longer range, slower firing rate, higher damage per shot, and lower tracking than a pulse laser.
The rate and damage per shot should balance out to roughly the same damage per second. However, don’t obsess over just the DPS figure. The beam laser’s greater range enables you to kill targets before the start firing at you. Radio crystals, for example, can give 30km range with beam lasers. Reach out and Touch someone.
The downside is lower tracking performance which means you are less likely to hit small fast moving targets that get close to you, and when you do hit them the damage done is likely to be less.

A heat sink typically adds 10% to the DPS, a mix of more damage and faster firing. There is a stacking penalty to them and energy turret rigs - effectively, three is the limit, the fourth adds very little benefit.

Meta weapons, such as dual modulated light beam lasers are also a significant improvement - it all adds up.

The use of faction ammunition can give you another 8-10% damage per shot - but that ammunition is more expensive and volatile (you get about 4000 shots from a crystal before they burn out - that is a lot, burnout is rare).

Hopefully you’ve seen the contract I set up at Amarr. It should handle the Sister’s arc quite nicely. Have fun.

seen what contract? sorry I am in Arnon now.

Have a look under the Neocom menus “Business>Contracts” (the three lines menu in the top left corner) and there should be a contract waiting for you to accept for a delivery in Amarr. There’s an accompanying message in your mail folder as well.
You can remotely accept contracts, but the item will be delivered to Amarr since I contracted it there.