… that’s just it why should it have to be tied to reprocessing? why can’t I tax compression and not tax refining? or tax both?
yes… I would support this.
that tends to be what I do. not giving lazy players things for free that’s for sure. not really sure how anyone wins with this though.
each service cost fuel to run independent of the station… a cost balanced around players making a profit from taxing services.
So they want to unload the cost to users of those services. Makes sense in a capitalist kind of way.
But then why not a tax for using the Market module? Matter of fact, why not a tax for using any station module? Why just for compressing?
Why not a tax on docking too? At least it would be consistent.
I’m sure you would…
like letting them tax other players without any effort, Ebenezer ? We already have that, they’re called POCOs. Put some effort into using your structure to make a profit by actually doing something with it. But from your reactions I conclude your structure is a one man’s operation and your profit margin was poorly calculated. Have fun with it, or sell it.
I’m all for letting you do whatever you want with your structures in hisec, and suck taxes out of every visitor IF it is counterbalanced by new mechanics to burn the darn things down as well, without silly wardecs. Or give them a tax vault that can be robbed…
Hey, I like that idea!
Maybe ccp can bring back the old siphoning deployables, for isk instead of reactor goo, and covert of course 
But for the moment let’s take pity on the poor structure owners now that their taxes are so under pressure. smh. Oops, that moment is gone already.
After reading through the discussion on this thread, I’ve started thinking of compression and reprocessing in a similar fashion to real-world “shipping and handling.” Since they’re both handled by the same module, I don’t really see a need for a compression tax, since it could be said it’s bundled with reprocessing.
True, you can compress ore without reprocessing it in a station, but this is another time when I don’t think my space mining laser game needs to be entirely realistic. If it were, we’d be charged for just about every action, like in a hospital.
Docking 25k
Cleaning Ship 90k
Offloading Cargo 1m
Compression 5m
Breathing 75m
Existing How Dare You 90b
Using the Latrine 0.25
Yes, it makes sense to tax compression, but it seems a bit silly if players who own structures can adjust their taxes on other services to “compensate.”
This, of course. Nothing is “for free”, and the smarter structure owners already did this from day one. You offer a token service “for free” to attract potential customers to your more lucrative services. Business ownership 101.
Umm… there already is. The compression service is the odd man out
That’s bizarre. Why is there a tax on the use of all the other modules but not on the compression?? Did CCP forget that one?
I explained earlier originally there was supposed to be. But ccp found they buggered their code and couldn’t divorce reprocessing and compression taxes, their solution was just to not give you the option of taxing compression because they dust see anyone having a reason to anyway even after we game them a multitude of scenarios where it would be desired.
They can’t separate the two in the code?
I guess I don’t know enough about that aspect of the game, or more precisely, that aspect of CCP.
It’s the only structure module that adds two services. So I’m guessing they way they added taxes was by module and not by service.
If there is no effort in putting up a structure then why do you care if they tax compression? Just put up your own and don’t tax it.
The real effort is not in putting up the structure, but to keep it profitable and advantageous. Upwells were not designed for solo ownership. That you can own one points to a design flaw, one that cost the eve economy heavily over the last 5 years. Rather than demanding new ways of taxing other players, ask yourself if you can hold on to a structure with your current knowledge of the mechanics involved and your current level of commitment.
So… there is a lot of effort that is required to keep them going and defended. So why shouldn’t you be able to charge as you see fit?
And the small structures were very much intended for solo ownership. They were intended to replace medium and large POS is really only the XL that were intended to be controlled by large groups. I don’t know where you got the idea that this was the case for all upwell structures.
Because it’s not OUR responsibility to keep YOUR structure fitted, fueled, defended and funded. You can already charge all you want for the significant services you put on offer, including a hidden tax on compression via the taxes on e.g. reprocessing, or trading or w/e.
which weren’t exactly solo owner friendly in terms of fueling, but still cheaper than the smallest Upwells in acquisition, and more versatile in their usage. Also, they weren’t public and you couldn’t levy taxes on the public. And let’s reverse the question: where does it say that the smallest upwells are intended for solo ownership.
No one said it was your responsibility. But when exactly did people become entitled to a service for free?
There was an entire group who was going to set off and place these down in ice belt systems far from trade hubs in order to provide this service. All ditched once ccp decided they were too lazy to fix it and just removed the tax.
No one is making money off refining in a station everyone is compressing in.
As for where it was stated they were intended for individuals. Most of the original dev blogs and forum posts talking about how they were meant to replace the med and large pos, things that were owned and operated largely by solo entities particularly in hs and ls.
Indeed, ccp opted to not tick that particular “service fee” box for owners, likely in the spirit of “they have enough other opportunities to make their structure highly profitable”. You simply want that box ticked.
There could be several reasons for that: bad location, high refining taxes for mediocre yield, competition, etc. And here’s the crux: no one is going to make any structure profitable from compression taxes. If the thing is not profitable, take it down and sell it.
An unverifiable statement.
… if its a good location to refine in why would you compress? If people are refining in your station no one is compressing. That stays true even if you have a 0% tax. That said I have made several profitable on compressing alone it simply forced me to limit it to individuals that bought an office in the structure. There are loads of locations in eve that are good for mining but limited in their location where compression becomes desirable. If I was able to just tax the compression it would open the station up to everyone and not just those in blue corps. This would let me lower the cost on everyone using the compression and open it up so more people could take advantage.
