Now we’re getting somewhere. Your structure’s business is renting out offices, that’s where your profit and its profitability comes from, at least that is what you are stating. Perhaps you even make some extra money off of the office renting corporations who do use your reprocessing services. And that’s not good enough for you ?
You simply want more income, in the form of a service fee for compression. Because it’s never enough and you see it as a business opportunity to be handed to you freely by ccp at zero cost for no extra effort, with a structure that is already providing you with profit.
It’s none of anyone’s business how you run your business, as long as your opportunities are balanced with everyone else’s, and as long as your increased rewards are counterbalanced with increased risk for your business. Simply demanding a new opportunity for extra income will not do.
No… the only thing it does is compress that’s it. that is all they are paying for the office is just an easy way to track and charge.
nope if i could just tax that, that’s all that would be taxed. forcing them to pay for an office that only exists as a way to give them access to the compression then also taxing that compression would sour business relations at the very least and probably lead to one of them just setting up an open structure only taxing compression.
If your structure can compress it can also refine. So what about that particular business opportunity ? Why did you set it up that way ?
So you also want to be able to tax only the random people who do not rent an office from you.
Perhaps you should sell the refining module and install something else, with attractive service fees in an area where it could generate some interest from the public. Sounds like you are underusing the property you invested in.
Again… I just wouldn’t be charging for an office and would be taxing the compression alone. I’m in an area where the most desirable facility is the compression.
I don’t get it. Why is so terrible to tax random people that want to compress but it is fine to tax random people that rent a office because they want to compress?
he doesn’t have an actual reason. I can’t tell if he doesn’t want to pay taxes at some public structure he uses or if he has some major resentment towards people who make money providing a service and doesn’t want to add more opportunities for it. I think its the latter
Because making people rent an office in order to compress and then charge a tax for the rental AND the compression is the sort of BS thing Disney or Apple would do
Yes, but that is not the idea. In fact is the exact opposite, with tax for the compression the whole office rental can be dropped, or at least offered as a separate, independent service.
Well if the office isnt a requirement, then I have no semantic objection.
I mean if Im to be honest, compression was a totally stupid addition to the game in the first place. But if they refuse to undo bad ideas, may as well make people pay for em.
Id be in favour of it being a sink though, rather than going to a station owner.
Well, the problem is that if the owner don’t get his cut he will either not offer the service or find a different way to charge for it. But something like a minimum tax that goes to some NPC might work.
Well, my sympathy with structure owners is reserved for my corp mates and allies(because those are the structures that I use and benefit from). So I see where you are coming from.
My consideration is pure practical, if compression is supposed to exist and structures are supposed to be the way to allow it, then it need to be made viable in some way. I’d rather pay the tax that go to some guy that is willing to make it viable than not having access to the service at all.
I’m going to chime in here because the discussion is missing what is, to me, a very important point.
Compression is unlike any other service in that it subtracts from the local economy.
If a person runs a market service module, then the locals gain a place to trade their wares in the local area.
If a person runs reprocessing, (exclusive of compression) then the local builders gain access to locally mined minerals.
If a person runs manufacturing, then people gain access to locally made goods.
But compression? Compression is strictly a tool for taking resources away from the local economy and dumping it into a foreign economy instead.
Taxing it is one way to discourage its use, or to at least leave some gain to someone operating in the local economy. It could be treated as a separate service and simply allowed a binary toggle so that it can be disabled. It could be removed from all structures entirely since it didn’t exist in NPC stations to begin with. Any of these solutions would be better, in my opinion, than what we have now.
As I have said in earlier posts, I have no problems with you structure owners charging for anything you provide to the “customer”, as long as it is balanced game wise. That balance could be the introduction of compression services in select NPC stations as well, or, for the more adventurous non-mercantile folks, a vault system that can be robbed, where your service fees and taxes are stored, or new mechanics to attack the structure. Simply asking for more free income because you feel entitled is too much real world for my taste. Quid pro quo.
Compressing ores is a fairly basic kind of action, like mining, or undocking. For the “I’m all for new taxes” structure owning crowd in this thread it’s important to draw a parallel. What is the difference between charging for what is currently free and a situation where some group shouts “Hek is ours. If you want to mine you have to pay us”.
But you do you. And others will do theirs. Like camping your structure and driving away customers. In times of scarcity that might even be worth more than any taxes you impose. Just a thought, an inspirational moment.
Let’s get to the point here. You structure owners see an easy way to create (or have ccp create it for you) a new kind of business by taxing the popular compression, and because at least a few of you don’t get return on investment, either by making poor choices in placement or choice of modules or by overcharging for those services.
And along the same line of your thoughts, an earlier question of mine that never did get an answer, simply because of flawed logic or simple dishonesty: why not ask for a tethering tax, or a repair tax, docking and undocking taxes (like we had in the old structures in null) as well.
tldr: It’s fine if you feel entitled to get an extra free income on the merits of being space rich enough to put up a structure. It’s also fine that others feel entitled to additional ways to separate you from your extra income.
Is it so popular? How strange. Reading these forum for a while now, it put me under the impression that Mining was for losers and very few ‘EVE pros’ even mined.
Why so condescending? I know where ships come from, of course.
I’m just pointing at the impression this forum has given me. It’s all over this forum how Mining is for “losers” and afk this, afk that…
But I guess, since you think I’m such an idiot, all there’s left for me to do is block you.
