CONCORD introduces the Dynamic Bounty System

There is no strategy here. It’s downright blackout all over again.
At current numbers, every time I rat, I have to camp ESS for 3 hours like a human CCTV, getting nothing for it, and even then, there are roams my group can do nothing against simply because they are bigger than our entire alliance.
I wonder how well it’ll go for you, if you had to sit in a plex for 3 hours to get your FW or mission LP you already ran missions for, and if at any point you lose control of that plex, 50% of your LP goes poof. You’d be extremely happy about that, I bet.

It’ll be at least 50% - that’s how much will get stuck in ESS and never extracted unless 3 hours watch is kept by multiple defenders and no overcompensating roams pass by.
It’ll definitely be not worth unreplenishable ship losses though, so might as well say that this system will quickly put me in negative. 10% I won’t bother about. We’re talking 110%, and that’s not even worst case scenario.

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Promoting conflicts in null was the original idea behind blackout, and CCP never resigned from that idea, but wants to achieve it thru other means.

I dont generally put all my eggs in one income basket.

The “nerfs” to mining and indy have been super for station trading across the cluster for me, as has the “nerf” to market orders.

I expect the exact same outcome for my ratting endevours too.

I got out of Structure Trading when cores hit, but have kept one uncored station active just incase I made the wrong choice.

Ive never used an ESS because I dont have the manpower to waste on husbanding one, nor do I like being tied to any location for long.

TL;DR: I dont see this change any differently to the last few. If its profit rather than the activity that drives ya, one big moneytree is always more vulnerable until you are part of a large organisation. And even then Id still hedge my bets like feck.

Whats ypur loss in aggregate without using the ESS but taking advantage of the higher returns in more active systems? Or non active systems?

And havent you had to husband ESS since they were introduced anyway?

That comment contains too much salt to be accurate.

You know very well that this will hit bots hard. This is essentially why you are crying.

I don’t consider players who watch netflix while farming as “at the keyboard”. They are not that far away from bots and I consider them equally damaging to the game.

Since botting and mindless farming is still a thing, the impact was obviously not big enough.

Botting will always be a thing. CCP can (and should) work to fight it, and everyone should report bots—to CCP—when they suspect they’ve found one, but it’s never going to go away. And overall… no, I don’t expect this will hit bots particularly hard. As @Orca_Platypus indicated, the optimal solution for bots is just to spin up more bots.

Not simultaneously, mind you. Instead, the optimal solution is to see exactly how fast their normal system degrades, then spin up exactly that same number of alts in a system that isn’t being over-farmed, and add a ‘check system multiplier’ step to their process. If the system multiplier in System A is too low, check B. Then C. Then D.

They’ll rotate where they’re farming by rotating what alts are farming, not by actually taking any time to move. And that’ll get achieved the same way they currently replace alts when a bot gets caught: skill injectors bought from SP-farming alts in the same larger farm-group. And hell, that took me all of 45 seconds to work out, because we already know how they spin up the new alts. That’s been well-understood for years.

So it’s a once-time expense that will actually make their alts safer. By rotating which alts are farming, the odds of any specific alt getting caught drop to the same percentage as the time they’re active. They may well decide that ‘expense’ is an investment that will reduce costs in the long run.

And for the record: no, nobody coming onto the forums to ■■■■■ about anything is botting. Botters don’t ■■■■■. They don’t want to draw attention to themselves. They don’t want people noticing them and looking at what they’re doing. It’s the same principle as nullsec spy alts: the spy will be the most useful, helpful guy you’ve got, the one who never screws up, never breaks the rules, never gets people pissed at him. Because they don’t want people digging. Botters are the same way: they want to be ignored.

As for mindless farming… literally every PvE activity in the game can be done that way. Yes, including incursions, the abyss, and sites in t-space. CCP would need to radically change the way their bounty NPCs—not the bounty payouts—work to change that. Which they explored when they started doing things like FoBs and diamond rats. But the moment they do that en masse, they’ll hear endless screaming about solo players and ‘little guys’, because the more challenging you make a thing, the more advantageous it is to bring a few dozen friends along.

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Botting is one thing. But it’s none of your business how mindless other peoples farming is. Besides it shows how it’s your comment:

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There is a difference. With current ESS, you can put a capital on it, and just have to hit “share” button, and you’re done parenting it.
New ESS - automatically deployed in all systems, cannot choose position, gated so you can’t put a capital on it, or respond in capitals to it, and there’s no share button - you just have to sit there for 3 hours till it releases your ISK.

Assuming absolute maximum activity (we get a lot of pew, but not much kills - because having killmails in home system is worst case scenario, thus the objective is to chase out, not to kill), it’s 120% bounties. 50% of them are held in ESS, so you get 60%. At the very least, it’s a 40% nerf.

This is nullsec. When you’re in alliance that got crippled by blackout so hard we still can’t form a shadow of our former numbers, you need absolutely every ISK to not lose your sov without a single shot because you don’t have it to pay your bills, fuel your structures, or commit enough manhours to ADM upkeep. For a group on an edge of survival as it is, every little push counts. But, apparently, CCP is dead-set on making us all go into super umbrella megakrab playstyle, because other nullsec playstyles are getting eradicated.

You should know very well why you are wrong, but simply can’t stop being dumb and read the explanation for dummies how bots are least affected, and I’m most affected.

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By the way, since old ESS and new ESS are completely different mechanics, I propose to name new one differently.

Since it’s essentially “Mandatory ESS”, the new name, which perfectly describes all interactions associated with it, comes naturally: “MESS”.

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How are ore price changes versus other price changes looking since the mining change? How is that good for miners?

Utter nonsense. It is absolutely my business whether or not EVE is a challenging enough game to require active play instead of mindless AFK farming. Everyone is playing the same game, the farmers don’t get a private single player version of EVE where nothing impacts the real game.

Oh boo hoo, maximizing income requires active defense of a system. Zero sympathy for you and your failed alliance.

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No, maximizing income will require active-but-ineffectual defense of a system. Actively and successfully defending your ratting systems would mean keeping the bads out, keeping them from ever coming within 1-2 gates of the target. But now you’re going to need to fail to keep your space secure, and then blow them up in the system you least want them to be in. :stuck_out_tongue:

It’s analogous to needing to let the drug smugglers bring their product in, get through customs, and then busting street-level dealers, but never ever ever going after anyone up the chain at all.

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Merin went “Brrrrr…” again. Where did “AFK” come from?

It cant be unchallenging and lucrative, can it? Everybody would do it, every botfarmer would botfarm it, and it would plummet. But they dont, and it doesnt. Why? Cause it is challenging, all of it. And cause different people like different things, you dummy.

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Seems like ESS isnt worth using by that measure. Just rat and pocket the cash immeadiately seems better to me.

Is having Sov really worth it? Again, sounds very unfun. And that was before any changes.

Sorry, just going to stop you here. Nullsec farming is laughably easy, the only possible risk of failure is PvP threats and local gives you effectively 100% immunity to that. There is nothing even remotely challenging about it and the only reason not to bot it 23/7 is the chance of getting banned for botting.

And I don’t give a **** if people like menial grinding. That trash doesn’t belong in EVE and if people don’t like it they can go back to WoW.

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A question many sov-holding alliances are asking, these days.

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Unlike highsec farming, where ISK was so easy to come by they had to make alpha’s unable to even run L4 distribution missions, right?

Considering Hilmar waxes poetic about his days of endless mining to repay someone’s lost cruiser, I think your expectations of the game might be a little off.

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Trust me, I hate highsec farming (and the pathetic anti-PvP players who defend it) too and would love to impose some major nerfs. But at least the rewards for highsec farming aren’t quite as excessive.

No, they’re just not as obvious. But they do scale up infinitely, way past anything nullsec does. After all, only so many anoms in a system. Only so many rocks in a mining spawn. Missions? Doesn’t matter if I’m running 1 alt or 50, each and every one of them can get endless missions.

Which brings us back to ‘why don’t they do that now?’ and the answer, as I mentioned to @Nevyn_Auscent above, is processor cycles. It’s just easier for them to run the fewest simultaneously active alts they can for the return they need. Scaling up simultaneously active alts means more processor cycles, more VPN connections, and when done by a large enough operation, more electricity costs.

But if nullsec ISK generation tanks enough… they’ll do it. They have no reason not to. When we’re talking about the big industrial bot-farms (which are the majority of nullsec botters, near as anyone can tell) their RL income is directly tied to meeting demand online. They’re not going to stop trying to eat and pay their bills (and pay off the guys in charge) just because CCP made things a little more difficult. They’ll just adapt, and pass any increase in costs on to the eventual customer.

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I like the DBS. But, as a solo player, I’m not liking that 50% my bounties will be locked in a bubbled box, that I may have to fight for!?
So PvPers get to steal half our bounties, on top of getting a kill and the loot that drops from my ship!? Is fleet ratting going to be the Meta in NS going forward? Where is the bonus for the solo ratter? We aren’t all bots.
The thought that half my bounties may go to some A**hole PvPer, makes it even worse.
No, I’ll rat in LS , and mothball my NS assets.
o7

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there is no bonus to solo players
i get ■■■■■■ by 5 to 7 man small gangs all the time
the only positive side is that you can do wat you want
no crazy boss nonsense

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