CSM Vote Result confusion

The likelihood of somebody spending that much on the game and only having a single account is almost nil. In the end, in the vast majority of cases, the person with the most Omegas is going to end up spending more money and creating more content for CCP than someone with fewer.

There are dozens and dozens of examples of the candidates with more money losing to underfunded, more popular candidates. I can think of a half dozen off the top of my head. There’s always more money out there, and there’s always a big donor on both sides of any issue.

No, it’s me being realistic. There’s almost nobody here, and certainly nobody in this thread, who has the education, training, and real world experience that I do on this topic. I have no reason to lie to you guys - you don’t live here and you’ll never vote or donate to me. Instead of taking advantage of someone being willing to be honest because there’s no downside (or upside to lying), you’d rather just throw mud. It’s sad.

Maybe not, but you do have an inherent bias because politics is how you earn a crust.

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One person can make a difference.

Not what I said at all. What I said was why aren’t you out there trying to hold these folks accountable if you want them to be held accountable?

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s why people don’t get involved, don’t vote, don’t run for office, and then sit around complaining about why everything sucks. You expect somebody else to do the work for you, because you’re too cynical to go do it yourself.

That’s not how anything has ever gotten fixed.

It’s easy to believe that people in the past were better than the folks we have now. I would also note that you didn’t say anything about those folks being long dead in your comment, lol.

The money I earn still spends, regardless of what you think about it. Whether I’m biased or not doesn’t mean I’m going to lie or make things up - there’s no reason to do that.

Really? Pray tell how I have the PM deposed for gross misconduct? Pray tell how I deal with local politicians shady land deals?

Without money or power, one person can do exactly jack squat because thats how the system is designed.

See, you accuse us of making assumptions, then you do it yourself. Youve no basis to make that statement, and if you feel I have no basis to accuse Politicians of being corrupt lying sellouts, then at the very least that makes both our positions mean exactly nothing over the other.

Just look up Mo Mowlam. The fact she is dead now doesnt change what I said one bit.

You run against them.

You get a bunch of people together. Everybody gives a little, and soon you’ve got a group with money and power. It’s called organizing. It’s also called grassroots politics.

If you’ve tried and failed, than I at least give you credit for having tried. But all I’ve seen here is you complaining. You’ve not said you’ve done anything about the stuff you’re complaining about and you’ve had ample opportunity to do so, but you didn’t, so I felt like it was a safe assumption to make. If I’m wrong, then feel free to correct me.

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No, then you have one person who has the money and power, and if they do get far enough, there’s nothing stopping them from breaking their promises and fitting in with all the other businessmen er I mean politicians.

This is not possible to do without breaking the law, and once I advocate that, you will just take the moral high ground, ofc.

And you havent proven any good that your or your cronies have allegedly done, so we are at a bit of an empass, arent we?

Of COURSE it’s possible to do without breaking the law. It happens all the time, at least in America. The small guy beating the big, well funded incumbent has been happening left and right, in both parties, over here for the last decade. It’s becoming so common it’s not even big news when it happens anymore.

The definition of what is “good” and what is “bad” is subjective - there’s no point in my providing examples of politicians doing good things, because then you’ll just argue that what they did wasn’t actually good because our politics are different.

And it’s also far beyond the point I’m trying to make in getting you guys to judge people are people, not as their profession. You’ve already admitted that there are politicians who you think are good (or may have been good), and I think that’s probably the closest I’m going to get to getting you to stop with the group prejudice.

Not a stereotype. We’re talking about hypotheticals.

Sure. Guess thats why the bi-partisan system doesnt exist anymore. But Im sure you are waiting for me to say that and youve got some big (not cited) response to it.

There are people who are good IN SPITE of being in politics, not because of it.

But by far the majority have PROVEN themselves to be untrustworthy selfish business types interested only in stuffingtheir pockets and stamping down those they dont like.

Which you ignore in favour of a tiny minorty of good-doers THAT I HAD TO BRING UP BECAUSE YOU WOULDNT/COULDNT.

Just because you choose to ignore this, even if you do think of yourself as a good person, doesnt mean anything other than it suits you.

And thats what seperates poiliticians from every other career, job, class, calling WHATEVER you want to call it.

You know, I really feel that Im talking to a preacher now.

And I hate religion even more than politics.

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Wait. So you don’t think many of your fellow politicians are scumbags? No need to answer that, since you are on record. Interesting.

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I have pithy things to say about both, none of them are complimentary and all of them would probably incur the wrath of our lords and masters the ISD team.

Edit, there’s something wrong in this thread; in a rare occurrence @Lucas_Kell and @Foggy_Bernstein are on the same page as myself and @Ramona_McCandless. Unlikely bedfellows indeed.

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Maybe we should… no… the universe isnt ready for that quite yet

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I’m not sure that I’m ready for it either, whatever it is.

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People do love to paint with the broadest of brushes. While there have been plenty of past and current politicians who have left much to be desired in regards to honesty and self sacrifice, there also been plenty of exceptions to the stereotype many people have. Former Senator Paul Simon from my state was so honest he used to declare gifts like baked goods, hand made handkerchiefs, and other nick-nacks his constituents would send him on his income tax forms. Current Senator Tammy Duckworth had both legs blown off while flying helicopters in wartime, yet still wants to serve her country the best she can. There are honest and self sacrificing people in politics. Are they perfect? Who is? However, don’t let the most egregious cases color your opinion. Focus on the honest ones with a track record of service to the community, especially to people or groups outside their immediate demography.
Yeah, the politician “class” has some major problems in general, but let us not fall into the general use of negatively stereotyping all of any one class no matter how many negative experiences we each have. The current CSM model is NOT perfect, but CCP has yet to offer a better one to us. Let’s try to use what little we have to make a better game.

There is, no CSM. It’s not needed.

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CCP isn’t offering is that option.

A person that sees something that people want done, gets elected on that issue, fixes it, and then doesn’t run again is an honest politician.

A person groomed to make a career in politics, getting elected based on poll tested lies, collecting corporate bribes, parking his corrupt ass in the senate for 30 years, and then retiring into a cushy consulting job for the very corporations that kept him in power is not an honest politician.

Which one do you think is 99% more common?

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Some politician was reading the snake and woman fable once publicly.

In my life I have seen a lot of hypocrisy tho, cant ever be sure with them…

Even devil can read you a bible.

Of course it doesn’t. You don’t think that there are millions of people working right now who think they’re doing a good job and their manager doesn’t? Or they think their manager is doing a shitty job and they could do it better while she thinks she’s doing just fine?

To think your political opinions are “good” and everybody else’s are “bad,” is kind of goofy.

I’ve known some bad people in politics, including a number who went to jail. I’ve known a lot more good people who are working hard to do the right thing, even if that’s not always easy to define.