Devblog: Skillpoints, Cash & New Players – An Update

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to start with No i am not a new player. yes i’d love to buy this pack. Sadly i won’t have funding till well about a week. saying y’all gonna put a limit till it is no longer offered in general is Lame. most of the time i wait for events but i do try to keep my Omega up to speed. & lately i have been more active ish than i have in the past. i just Hope i’m able to get this at least on my main account then my other 3 accounts. we shall see though… consistently trying to catch up to others.

Point is No it shouldn’t have a time limit… though this is just the opinion of the well Me who is insane. Good Day, Fly Safe, & Travel Well… o/

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Hello,

to break a lance for CCP, I read here only mimimi…

Especially from the old Bittervets.

I play since 2007, pay 95 % of my accounts, meanwhile i have 8 accounts subbed with real money.

It seems, however, that for most experienced players there is probably no support for CCP at all. Especially when it comes to paying a subscription. There are developed possibilities to get as fast as possible very quickly to a lot of money to invest no further cent in the game - so that one can make Monokel-Style-Like moderately one on thick trousers.

Quite honestly. Software development on this scale costs money. To pay a company, which for years, excuse me, decades deliver a game, which does not exist on the market in such a way, should experience support in my opinion.

What I’m reading here is whining at a high level.

But maybe CCP should just shut down the servers for 4-8 weeks so people can see what you’re missing.

But I also understand the players who might think they’re investing time and money here in the hope that it’s going to be good for you - but count guys, you should be able to do that.

I think it’s great anyway that with the introduction of Plex, you’re passing the cost of the subscription on to others so that you don’t have to invest a penny more in the game, because everything else would be imba.

Sorry, I’m not there with you. Maybe the player thinks that if I have already invested 2 years, then my final goal must be that I can definitely gamble for free.

Don’t you have any other goals ?

You get a really good to very good game here, with a lot of attention to detail and the only thing I see is mimimi here and mimimi there.

This has nothing more to do with logical reasoning, but with your personal attitude towards EVE.

If it has become - in your eyes - too easy for you. Because you rock everything in PVP, you can ruin the day for everyone, with your scams, you can pay your accounts with ISK.

Then the next time you win the Eurojackpot, complain that there wasn’t enough money in it, because if you already play the lottery, it has to be enough for all mankind or ?

I’m sorry, but that’s complete nonsense. I’m a software developer myself - and the only thing I read here is with a few minor exceptions.

Me, me, me - the most important thing, CCP has to buckle for my entertainment, and best of all for free. Sorry, this is modern slavery for me !

I would understand it if all the people who are crying around here would pay their accounts with real money every month. Then I would understand this line of argument.

But so, nope - really not.

Btw you should really introduce a dislike button, so that all those Leechers, yes that’s exactly what you are at the moment, all of you get a dislike from me, because your argumentation just pisses me off.

And to top it all off. If you’re so upset about 1 million SP, why don’t you just go? Has CCP been so unfair to you that you are now in any case, in your Rorqual and Titans, an armada of 1 million SP pilots facing you from space with the Combat Boosters peel you out of your ship, because you - I must pay nothing more for CCP - mentality have forgotten what this game actually constitutes ?

But well, go on ISK, push the price higher, for the Plex. I think the Plex should settle down to 6-10 billion. Then you won’t be up for it and would finally do what CCP would help.

Namely pay !

Where I come from, the saying is “its absolutly insane to being stingy” - already become a real brand, but it is exactly what your boss should do with you. To pay you for 10% of what you otherwise get, and to expect 200% more performance.

Maybe that’s what you want.

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I think this is not a problem.

Free to play games have this situation where they need to pay the bills without a subscription’s income. The model where paid option gives something the ‘normal’ player doesn’t have, and gives him an advantage over him; is to be considered a problem. Other packages like WoW’s boost to level XXX or FFXIV story skipper (if that was ever implemented); let you skip ahead while the ‘normal’ player would get there just as much as the other player, but slower.

There would not be an advantage, just faster progress.

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CCP has already broken the game down to be less challenging then before for these worthless noobs who quit after they die in a highsec war… Now giving them a million sp is beyond stupid, why is CCP catering to the Carebears when your veterans and hardcore pvpers is what made this game special…

This is justcartman_lame-1046

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I think it was your meme that was offensive.

I gave therm my $5 as fast as I could. People complain about the price of plex on the market all the time, wanna lower the price of plex? Buy plex from CCP and sell it on the market. Problem solved. Want to play eve in the years to come, pay real money for stuff from CCP. CCP devs can’t feed their children with isk.

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Falcon, a one time offer of 1m sp was imho never a big problem.
Some ppl rightfully whined about that booster, but that is beside the point i wanted to make.

Many players who get the 1m sp upfront, may feel like they have just won the lottery, receiving more than they know what to do with.
Why not take a page from the book of other MMO’s and give the SP over a time period, something like 30-40% upfront, and the rest with daily logins (and no expiration date added to this).
It would also prevent them from using it in a silly way upfront.

Another would be to make special missions for the newbies that have SP or skill levels tied to them, like ‘do these set of missions and you get frigate 4, destroyer 4, cruiser 3-4’, something like that.

The pack itself could also be more heavily biased towards implants, learning boosters and maybe some more valuable skins, to be given over a period of time.
Maybe even put in a set of missions each day that will give such rewards.

Either way, aim it towards having rewards for activity of playing, not just opening up the wallet, as the rush of those SP will be fast gone.

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this is not the same CCP anymore … it’s effectively another company lol

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So CCP guys sell Gold SP eh?

i think that is same as Gold ammo. ;p

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I dont think your english comprehension skills qualifies you to fully understand the arguments laid forth and therefore doesnt give you the authority to call us all leechers.

Thanks for that by the way. -_-

Bottom line:

CCP makes 60 dollars a month per skill farm.

CCP destroys skill farms by selling 1,000,000 SP for 5 dollars.

Skill farms all unsub.

CCP trades 60 dollars a month income for many accounts to get 5 dollars once per account lifetime.

CCP loses income.

CCP lays off developers

CCP gets somehow even worse at makong Eve Online great.

This starter pack is bad for the game for those reasons and other reasons outlined.

Seriously take out the SP pack and give all new pilots the ability to fly all frigates with all the t1 small modules available including logi and ewar.

Its incredibly jarring to try and fit up a ship for a new player and realize you need to train something for 15 minutes before you can use it. Then you spent all your money buying that ship and fit so you dobt uave enough money to by the skillbook. Now you need to grind in a freaking ibis for 2 hours to make 200k isk or whatever to get the skillbook to then finally start the 15 minute training.

When the new players need to wait that 15 minutes because they cant use lasers or w/e they always sit in station waiting on the timer.

I quit eve many times because of this when my trials ran out.

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4.09% is also a hard number. That’s the percentage of new players that have stuck around in EVE after 30 days during Q1 of 2019

how many veteran quit cause of bad move?

i didn’t play anymore, just coming to see the forum and , really, i’m happy to be out this mess and keep a good image of my playing time in eve

be unique isn’t a shame
new generation want to get all, now, immediatly… that’s not (wasn’t) the spirit of this game… i though

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Go to this link and look for the Starter Pack. I bought one. It was only $5, and I figured it must be decent if people are upset about it being an option. Plus, I truly am I new player.

Edit: Clearly, I’m new to the forums as well. I just realized I didn’t reply to the original poster.

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It is a really good pack. Ive purchased as well. Every one should take advantage of it while its available.

If you truly are new, make sure you ask some one older to help you use them wisely. You dont need assault frigs 5 ya know.

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As a completely new player, I don’t think this Starter Pack is a big deal. One of things that attracted me to EVE was finding out that skill points don’t equal power.

By capping each skill at level 5, new players can compete with old veterans. At the same time, long-time players get real value from the flexibility their mountain of skill points gives them. This is so much better than other games. New players are often artificially empowered to be equal to veterans (instant leveling) or can’t catch up in a reasonable amount of time.

That said, I can understand if people feel betrayed because of some past promise not to sell skill points. But I don’t know anything about that.

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I have no sympathy for the people complaining about this DCL.
I started playing EVE in 04 2017 and now i have 75mil SP - I didn’t go crazy on injectors, most of them i bought from ISK earned ingame but i can totally understand people who don’t want to go this route just to be able to fly what they want.
Starting out with limited options, limited fitting space, fighting against more experienced players in better ships really was one of the least enjoyable parts of getting into this game.
In my opinion this is for shure one of the biggest problems with getting players to stick with the game for a long time.
I’d even go so far to allow characters less than a year old to remap all skillpoints once a week and older characters once a year.

For a Character like mine with a good variety of options what to fly and do 1mil SP won’t change much but is still a very nice offer to shave a few weeks off the next lv5 skill.
For a new player it’s a really nice option to unlock a couple of different things all at once and get into more content faster.

Over all more skills simply mean more options and therefore more reasons to do stuff, more content, more business and more pew pew.

It might be unfair for old players who spent years building their characters but those people also should not need the few extra percent for lv5 in order to succeed at whatever thry’re doing.
And it’s also unfair for new players to be left behind wich clearly is not in the interest of the game as a whole.

Big thumbs up to CCP for this DLC!

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We already have injectors for that. I’ve started 2013 and I’m sitting at 120 mil SP. Effectively using maybe 10 mil. This offer is just cash grab.

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*sigh
It’'s quite simple. How do so many players not grasp the concept?

PLEX are bought from CCP for real money.

Those PLEX are then bought on the ingame market by players wanting to use them to add gametime to their account. The seller gets what they want - isk, and the buyer gets what they want - gametime.

As a result of this transaction, CCP GETS REAL MONEY

Again: CCP GETS REAL MONEY FROM EVE PLAYERS PLEXING THEIR ACCOUNT!

CCP knows this very well. Surely you don’t think they have been just giving away their product out of the goodness of their hearts these years?

EvE players paying via subscription are not carrying players paying via PLEX and paying via subscription does not bestow some sort of moral superiority either.

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Thank you for the clear explanation, and information. I support the work being done by @CCP, you guys have always done your part, and Eve Online has benefited greatly from it. Keep up the great work.

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It has nothing to do with fairness, no old players were upset that newbies were being given SP. They were upset that SP was being sold to old players as well and that it could be abused by old players to farm SP to sell on the market. It broke promises that CCP made previously and made it look like an obvious cash grab, specifically because it wasn’t just aimed at new players.

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The new skill pack is not being forced on the new player much like a robust Twitch user would suggest donating even though you really don’t have too donate. The new player can train the old fashioned way if they choose too.

The new skill pack will give those wanting to start over in a new career in Eve Online the ability to do so or for the First Time Player (FTP) to get a jump start over other FTP’s.

Having options like this would have been great back when Eve Online first came out because I can remember having to bio my first character and start all over again when CCP changed their system causing everything to be flushed.

Back then we didn’t get the option of having a million skill points or boosters, back then we ran iron fluid through our implants and we liked it! So deal with the changes and get over it. Because I tell you what…

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I don’t think its such a big deal.
A one time 1m skillpoints is fine, its not going to break the game. The only thing they need to do is make sure there is no exploit to allow people to stack them.

Times change, games change. Eve is trying to bring in new players to compete with players with 200m+ skillpoints. The whole ‘but but CCP promised!!1’ is just a mask to cover bitter vets not wanting new players to catch up. Skill extractors had already broken that promise (I can pay $$ buy isk and then buy skills!) but we’ll ignore that and lose our ■■■■ over a one time purchase.

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