Blockquote
Profile - Vol_Arm_OOO - EVE Online Forums
People dont go around wholesale killing structures because structures are cancer; structure bashing in eve is the absolute worst form of pvp in the game - its boring and wholly unrewarding.
You sir could not be more wrong,
You couldâve always joined my corp. Or many other corps out there would have had you no problem.
â> You actually mean you can now create your own corp and play by yourself without much interaction from other player corps in your area.
And what was the problem with that? It took isk out of the game from their corp accounts. It couldnât be done forever.
It can for now. Those are going away, after all. Nothing should be built with those at its root.
But more, the issue here isnât âI canât engage in war without a structureâ, itâs âpeople without structures can engage in predatory and exploitive behaviors against me and I have no way to retaliateâ.
Also,
Congratulations on ensuring that nobody can ever take space? I mean, if you canât engage in war without having territory, then you canât get territory until you have territory.
You know as soon as POSâs go away, thatâs screwed, right? Cans donât tether.
Iâd say up that, and base it on how large you are. A 10 man corp decing a 10 man corp shouldnât be extremely expensiveâthey probably canât afford âextremely expensiveâ. Goonswarm choosing to pick on some guyâs 1-man alt-corp? Yeah, make us pay through the nose.
Unless itâs Gevlon. All wardecs on Gevlon come free. 
I think he was referring to the Cemetery that CCP promised to preserve
http://www.aziaburgi.me.uk/cemetery.php
I basically agree the wardec system needs a revamp, and I think this structure thing is a fine first step that has some potentially fun implications.
However, this is the main issue I hope the next steps will resolve: people can now engage in all sorts of jack-assery (such as ore nicking and suicide ganking etc) from a player corporation without there being a counter-measure. (Yes, they always could from an NPC corp, of course, but at least there was the trade-off of not being able to have your own.)
That said, I would also like to add that the countermeasure of deccing a thief corp or a ganker corp is not a very stellar one as is. Sure you can do it, but it results to very, very boring wars for both parties more often than not, and once the decs are over there is no permanent effect. I donât have a solution to that, but just saying a war dec system that results in better quality wars (and by better quality I guess I mean more frequent explosions) would be a very welcome thing.
Yeah. Right now, those cans canât be raided, they canât be shot, because theyâre in a POS.
Once that goes away, they will, too. Because players are jerks.
What they ought to do on this particular issue is fold it into the propaganda structures, and get those out before POSâs go away. Have the cemetary available as a type of monument, and make that one owned by CONCORD.
I posted some ideas on changing the WarDec structure and including something like mercenary contacts a while back. Unfortunately a kindly mod promptly merged it into a thread where the discussion would never be seen again.
Post starts here: The Mother of All War(dec proposal)s
And goes for about 9-10 posts. Then its back to the insanity thread.
One of the points I made in the original was, âany new system, how would you break/exploit/abuse itâ?
With the December changes, I would break/exploit/abuse by:
The current proposals also do nothing to encourage actual fighting, they donât help smaller corps get established and grow, they donât represent âplayers making choices with consequencesâ because there are easy ways around all of the current proposed mechanics.
Basically this just looks like the same old corp-swapping techniques people have used for years, only with tying it to space structures.
The proposal I linked above includes tough player choices, with permanent effects, rewards for both sides to engage in wars, and ways for people to participate usefully in a war even if they canât âwinâ it. It also uses existing game mechanics to cut down on the programming budget.
I think what CCP are trying to do here is valid, but most ppl here havenât actually brought up the elephant in the room when it comes to Hi Sec PVP in any formâŚ
Neutral Logistics
Coding for this I cant see being too hard cause most of those mechanics they already have in game (cant RR sieged dread for eg.)
I just hope this it the âfuture iterationsâ CCP are going to do.
You could even have the 2 price systems in place at the same time. 10v10 corp: still 50M; 500v10: 500M; 10v500: 50M. Thatâs still more productive at fixing things than the current suggested structure limitation.
Would be interesting to know how many wars are being declared by small corps against small corps.
You canât do this if you are war decâd.
The war doesnât transfer to your alliance like that. It basically just ends the war because of bad coding. The aggressor has to come back and war dec the alliance you just joined.
You can do this as a player and you are banned from re-joining this corp for 7 days. Doing this as a corp the war will follow your corp when you drop the alliance.
This is your only idea that works. Seems like your donât participate in this system enough to know how it currently works.
This is probably the biggest problem with high-sec wars. Because the only counter to them would be to have your own neutral logi ships the enemy doesnât know about. The suspect timer is good, but youâd have to have a neutral fleet that is there just to go after suspect timers that they did not prepare for. Because the neutral spy character told the fleet what you have and they have formed up with the exact counter ships and numbers to crush your fleet and brought in the logiâs that arenât war targets that come in late so they are away from you. That is the biggest problem with high-sec wars.
Well at least one of the people getting called out for being a wardeccer in this thread is a single-player corp that wardecâd a 74-man corp while they were in a 130-person alliance, so I know it happens!
How are so many people so bitter over this? I know this is a forum, and its usually where the bitter gather regardless of the game played, but Iâm not understanding all of the rage here. Maybe itâs because I spend most of my time in lowsec and wormholes that Iâm not understanding why everyone is so upset.
Is this going to put an end to all of the ganking in high sec?
Nah, ganking will be untouched, never required a wardec to begin with. The reason (some) people are annoyed is because we can see slightly farther than our nose and can tell knee-jerk band-aids with no backing data are generally speaking bad ideas. This is something CCP should have been a bit more patient about, gathered more data about, and then provided a real solution for instead of tightening a tourniquet around the neck and calling it a day.
When everything else CCP has ever done has always proven to be abandoned and ignored in favor of whatever new thing distracts them next (Iâm thinking theyâll be teleporting some more bots to Yulai and claim theyâre doing something), thereâs very real concerns this is where theyâll leave the situation.
If someone is mining âyourâ hisec moon belt then you have counters already.
If you want to âownâ your moon belt then set up in low or null, thatâs the choice you make.
On this toon I do hisec/lowsec/null indy stuff, the calculation is always the risk against the reward. If ACLs and suspect status were applied to 0.5 moon belts then I wouldnât mine in hisec as the margins would not be high enough to cover the risk. In fact Iâd prob consider going alpha and do other stuff.
Wonât solve anything, thatâs the problem. If anything it highlights the problems with high sec.
why not make it so to war Dec a corporation in eve they need to have at last 20 players or some average number wear the bigger corporations are then going to get a fight? war is a part off eve undocking what not but seams a lot of effort going after a 1-5 man corporation unless its just a grudge with that corporation.
Right now the code CCP developed already flags the rocks owned by the corporation with the structure on grid and places that information in that corporations ledger. I think the easiest solution, since the code knows who owns the moon, and what rocks are on grid, is to place a suspect timer on a miner who mines the moon ore from a moon who does not also own the structure on grid. However, this could be a bit too harsh of a penalty because then you are playing limited engagement timer games with opposing forces⌠Its a tough situation to address to be honest.
EDIT: I know if I was presented with this problem today I would immediately mobilize a gank fleet and open a private chat.