First 14 or 30 days, was looking at new players, if they subscribed etc. Included people who played 1 hour and never undocked or left the rookie system.
i.e. It doesn’t really say anything about the effect of ganking on EVE, because they didn’t go past “Hey, here is an interesting correlation” and never looked at anything to do with causation.
It was an interesting correlation in saying that.
You know, you keep asserting things and then when faced with the consequences of your assertion, get angry and have no substantive response. Perhaps you should consider whether or not your positions have merit before demonstrating to everyone else that you haven’t.
I mean, you’re the one saying ‘Build your dreams, wreck theirs’ is something we should be aspiring to. Then, when someone does it to you, you don’t like it. If that’s the kind of behavior you want EVE players to engage in, why are you getting annoyed when someone does?
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Think about it first - driving off the forums the most prolific CSM participant and feedback-gatherer since Jin’Taan, helps us… how? Other CSM’s say they would rather eat glass than read these forums. Try a little less “____ off” and a little more “I disagree, because XYZ.”
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I didn’t know a person could sink this low, hilarious to read, and not in a positive way, you should be ashamed… xD
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If this game was only PVP focused, there wouldn’t be a game. How would you build a ship without miners? They are not playing the wrong game, plenty of activity in EVE does not involve shooting each other.
Please re-read my original post. I’m proposing a way to not make them immune to 100% safety. I think the December change will put people back into NPC stations and too much safety.
People bot Distribution Missions, so why wouldn’t they bot HS mining/ratting?
When he say botters can leave noob corp and earn a tiny bit more. they could already do that, just change corp every time someone wardec it
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Agreed, they don’t need the upcoming change for this.
I just meant that if people can bot, they will bot anything.
Remove ganking in > 0.4 and make HS a true HS with no wars and then we can talk about good changes.
Those changes don’t matter at all when someone can gank you any time they want… with no penalty,
So quit this b… about changing anything … it does not matter…
Ganking is a part of EVE, has been and always will be. EVE will never have a 0 risk system, it’s not how EVE works. The gankers have a penalty, they determine if the cost of losing their ship is worth the loss of yours, kill rights, negative sec status, 15 minutes where they can’t undock in a ship without getting Concorded etc…
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That’s just a stupid thing to say, honestly. For some people the changes will be huge, but what you are talking about is simply illogical. In a Sandbox game, how unrealistic would it be to not be able to target a ship you see, and start shooting it? And yes there is a penalty, if you factor in the cost of the tags, a suicide gank might cost 1-5m + the cost of their ship. (dont quote me on the price there) But yeah, they do something illegal. they get shot by CONCORD, now i suggest you stay away from HS because it is ■■■■■■■ scary, alright! ? 
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It is tier-ding to keep the nutty ones at bay. xD
Most don’t use tags. Because Alts and they fund the alt from elsewhere so a lot don’t even care about profit.
However yeah, ganking is and should stay a thing.
Personally I think the way ganking happens is poor though, we should have a much longer gank timer so it needs fewer ships, but people have longer to respond, tank on the gank ships starts to matter, and others can interfere. (But if you really are AFK you are in real trouble). And also change Concord spawns to Concord triggering your ships self destruct as concord spawns can cause lag in large smart bomb attacks.
But that’s a bit of a sideline to war dec changes.
I think it is balanced atm, where a super tanky orca worth less than 1b isnt really worth ganking. Could be tinkered just a little bit, but it is pretty balanced already, and dont forget there is a huge difference between 0.5 and 1.0 systems!
The problem isn’t “Balance” in term of cost/value. I’m not complaining about that.
The problem is game experience. Ganking currently is just a DPS race vs an NPC time gate. Yes it’s in theory “possible” for players to interfere, but the reality is that in the split seconds needed to do so, it’s not really a very viable option. Player escorting similarly is a very poor game experience, people hated it in null for similar reasons. You spend hours and hours flying along and nothing happens, then there is suddenly 5 seconds of action.
It’s not fun for the escorts who could be making loads of isk shooting rats instead, it’s not fun for the ganked target who blinked and lost their ship, and it’s not as fun as it could be for the ganker who has to spend all their time planning and hardly any of it shooting.
So we can move some of that plan & prep time into actually shooting, which would up engagement in the gank for all involved parties, and anyone around.
If you see someone getting ganked now, you can pretty much ignore it because concord will step in before you get at risk. Maybe 2 shuttles with a thrasher in a 0.5 system. But that’s about it for the next 15 minutes.
If gank timers are longer, everyone on grid cares about a gank because if they drop their primary target fast they still have a minute or two to shoot the rest of the grid, and they have already lost their ships so it’s a free fire zone for the ganker. So we suddenly have a much more involved player base. And this should be a good thing.
Yes it would need some tweaks to not just make industrials helpless pinata’s, but that wouldn’t be a bad thing either.
While this is related to War’s however, it’s not really a big part of them.
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I see someone knows their maths symbology and can actually understand what > 0.4 actually means…
Quoted for Posterity 
Since I see you removed it.
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Yeah, I saw it as I was hitting that post button 
At least I know how to admit my mistakes. Making HS totally war free is still stupid though.
Guess what corp we war dec if that happens. And guess who will assist in that war. And guess if it’s cheaper or more expensive for us that way. 
Haven’t you heard? You don’t need a war dec to gank someone dumbass!
Haven’t you heard? You dont need a war dec to gank someone dumbass!