No, we didn’t. None of those is why we prosecuted that war. We prosecuted that war to hurt them. Not ‘for content’, but to hurt them. ‘Victory’ was the ten months of pain and suffering we inflicted. Killboards mean nothing. ISK meant nothing.
And, you know, that’s nullsec. Are we really saying that we think it’s immersive and good game design to have CONCORD, the international peacekeeping agency that actively shuts down aggression not just between capsuleers, but between the empires themselves, saying ‘hey, look, if you wanna be sociopathic bastards who are torturing weaker kids for kicks, you can do that, right out in the open. Just pay us off, and we’re cool with it’?
Or should they, you know, insist on some actualcasus belli?
That was your original intention, but then you realised that you had dominated so totally you had to take your foot off the gas or else. So give them a breather, allow them to get their act together and ask for something that would hurt their pride and was worth something to the leadership but would not get in the way of the alliance players from getting stuck in.
There is no difference between nullsec or hisec in terms of wanting to kick sand in someones face, you are just more restrained in hisec. But the question on CONCORD is perhaps more of a role playing one, I keep telling myself it is because CONCORD is training us capsulears to be tough as nails so as to be soldiers for some future conflagration.
As you know sometimes wanting to watch the world burn down is a good enough reason. But their reason is simple, the people like PIRAT run protection rackets and make a heck of a lot of ISK. And controlling space to extort is part of the conflict driver in hisec.
Perhaps Miniluv could branch out a bit? In fact I half expect the end game of this is to be so many entities extorting structure holders that they all give up…, the amusing thing is when it does actually become real protection of sorts, rather like your renter approach.
You know, if you’re gonna to trying to explain why we did something, it’s probably not a great idea to choose one of the people who was in the meetings about it as your target.
That is not at all what happened. What happened is simple: The enemy completely collapsed. It got boring. We didn’t give a damn about giving them a breather, we got bored. So Aryth did what Aryth does: he made a ridiculous amount of money off of the situation.
And yes, the question about CONCORD is a ‘roleplaying’ one. And it’s one that matters because the setting needs to hang together. The setting needs to work, or you don’t keep players. You just get more and more people who come into the game and go ‘this makes no damned sense’ and leave, because if the game can’t be bothered to use some Quality Control on its setting, what are the odds the gameplay doesn’t have any, either?
So: Why should CONCORD be openly supporting protection rackets?
Yeah, there’s a great idea. Make everyone stop playing. THEN we can… what? Sit around with our thumbs up our butts wanking about how amazing we are? If I wanted to do that, I’d be in PL.
The game needs an area where people aren’t being utter cocks 24/7. Or you don’t keep new players. If you don’t keep new players, you don’t have a game.
Want to fix war declarations? Just remove them once and for all. Annoying and dumb mechanic that needs a major overhaul and the approaches differ eons from something that would actually make any sense.
I’m just too tired of reading through all of the supposed “improvements” which just seem overly thought and down-right annoying.
So bottom line: Remove wars and war declarations, they’re annoying and not needed nor enjoyed, since people that use them are people that have and will always find a way to abuse them to engage unwilling entities.
I wanted it from the horses mouth which is why I asked you, I knew you would put me right.
That was my understanding, but were you seriously not worried about them collapsing so much that the real decent large content dried up. OK I will take that as being a no in your case.
I answered that, they want capsulears to be very good at blowing stuff up.
Very true in terms of PL, except they now know that they are not in fact amazing…, as you proved that to them, as did Test, as did Tactical Supremacy.
This gameplay starts impacting if you go for a structure, I think CCP did a good thing to keep that block even if I liked the dislike type conflict that happened. I for one don’t have a structure, I take the hit on poor efficiency and some people will accept that, casual players in particular as long as you don’t put them in a situation where they are easy meat. At this point they cannot be war decked and that is good, but go for more efficiency then yes.
I wasn’t worried, no. DeadCo’s not horrible people, but I wasn’t worried. NCdot? CO2? A select set of others? Nothing would make me happier than them collapsing completely and leaving the game forever.
You seem to consistently underestimate what ‘hate’ means. They have earned mine.
Except a protection racket isn’t about blowing stuff up. It’s certainly not about being able to fight an armed and dangerous enemy. It’s about picking on the weak and helpless, and taking money in exchange for not blowing stuff up.
And CONCORD already does that. Why would they want competition?
Why does any little Corp needs a structure in space anyway? There are thousands of public structures out there that small Indy corps can use. There is too much structure spam anyway. The small Indy corp can find a suitable structure for their needs and use it and grow. If they don’t want anything to do with wars, then they can keep using public structures. Maybe they can form bonds with the structure owners and at sine point they can form an alliance where they can help to protect the structures. If they find out too risky to use other peoples structures, they still can use the good old stations. They are not as good as citadels, but in Eve there is always the balance between risk and reward. Or they can use public structures that are relatively safe, like the Sotiyo in Perimeter, or other structures backed by large groups.
There are countless ways how small groups can prosper. Adapt or die.
We are getting horribly off topic here, so apologies to others. I hear what you say thanks.
That is effectively what PIRAT do, that is what Marmite do, that is it, that is the objective, to make ISK off the back of others. Smashing and crushing is what they do to people who step up to muscle in if they become a threat to them, you see those wars develop in hisec every so often, there is one happening now, I mentioned it above sort of.
I think that sort of question is something you should develop with a dev in terms of Eve I thought I covered it above.
Yes, it is. And my question is: why should it be? Why does that belong in high-sec, where CONCORD and the empires supposedly maintain control and are supposedly effective governments?
Does an effective government in a functioning society endorse organized crime cartels? I mean, there’s a reason it’s crime, right?
Have you lost a clone when someone stopped refuelling it, did you lose a load of materials when someone stopped fuelling it?
In Khafis there is not a single structure, can’t see any spam here.
I use NPC stations, works for me.
I hope that develops.
Cough, moving stuff there is not safe and terribly boring…
I am not trying to be flippant but it does seem obvious to me in terms of the issues. The other day I started to go back on the ganking makes the game fun as it is content and I thought wow, I have to spend a couple of hours moving a whale attentively through hisec and dock up with a BS sitting on gate and wait until he logs or do godzillion multiple trips in something smaller, and I started coughing again. I am getting to sound like Arrendis above, did you mean to make me start thinking like that @Arrendis . I give up…
just mine the ore faster as they? concentrate on the roid they are on? move your moonbelt out of the time they know yours will spawn? come on dont be lazy… the miner who found your nice moonbelt wasnt^^
Risk vs Reward has to be balanced by ways to mitigate the risk. As of April, your small alliance can’t even band together with other small alliances to protect against PIRAT or Marmite.
ah so you are NOT a highsecminer and have NOT a problem with that 50-man hs mining fleet… oh and pls show them to me! all i see are few AFK Orcas mining for days complaining about “my property” “go out of my belt”
if someone can bringt a 50 man mining fleet he DESERVE to get that ore!
Clearly, you’re not mining in HS right after downtime. Once they devour the belts around the major trade hubs, they don’t need to be out in space.
Give them a moon frack they can reliably find, though, and they will.
No, I am not personally a HS miner, and I do not personally have a 50-man mining fleet giving me a hard time. That doesn’t mean I don’t know plenty of HS miners—or people who’d be willing to set up HS refineries if they could actually keep people from stealing the moon ore they’re paying for.