The way things are now is not an argument against changing them, just because right now you do not own the asteroids does not mean people can’t argue for that to change
Yeah, you can ask all you want.
All I’ve been saying is that CCP has made their statement on this issue, so don’t expect it to be changed since it is working as intended according to them.
Friendly reminder that the topic of this thread is wars, not moons. The word moon isn’t even in the dev blog.
That’s why it’s here, man. This whole thing is basically trying to get @CCP_Fozzie or @CCP_Lebowski to address the issue in some way. 
And another reminder that ‘I want to be able to shoot those jerks why can’t I wardec them?’ is part of this.
How so? If anything, my argument is on the side of good faith.
Because rather than addressing points made, you’re acting willfully ignorant of what people actually mean. For example, rather than address the idea that the service modules are there to provide a benefit to the people paying for the service modules, you respond only to the part about ‘who can push the button’.
Clone bays: even if I never use the clone bay, I benefit from the fees when someone does.
Market: even if I never use the market, again, I get the fees.
Industry slots: Same
on and on until
Moon laser: …???
So you want a corp to go war eligible if one members mines on a moon where they don’t own the Refinery?
I want CCP to at least indicate they’ve heard that this is a concern about the wardec system’s changes, and thought about whether or not that concern is something they can address. I mean, is ‘we’re aware of it, we don’t know what we can do about it, but we’ll listen to ideas’ such a hard thing to say? I don’t even think they’d need to mean it.
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I all with you that a miner should go suspect if he mines a ‘hostile’ moon. But that’s not related to wars. Or you could be a criminal unless you’re at war with the Refinery owning corp. Then you have a connection to wars.
Oh great. Now you dragged me into the discussion about moon mining 
I think making people mining on a moon where they are not on the ACL go suspect would be a good way of handling this, you could even purposefully not mine and use it as bait
As long as people on the ACL are included in Wardecs for the stucture, sure.
Why should they? People you let on the acl for your market citadel are not included in war decs, why should this be any different?
Just make them go suspect too then.
If you aren’t part of the corp that owns the structure, then why should be immune to both Wardec and Suspect flags.
So if a structure is freeported—literally, the option for the ACL is ‘world’ or ‘everyone’—then wardecing the owners… wardecs everyone?
how to wardec everyone in eve for free
- Create alt corp
- anchor refinery
- freeport
- wardec your alt corp
- ezy
yeah I see no issues with the wardec the acl idea
none at all
Hard to know anything about you when the only thing you’ve done is brag about living in Thera of all places and provided absolutely no experience to back up your nonsensical opinion.
So who are you exactly?
The problem that all of this… from the moon issues to the ‘why can’t I rep my allies in a war?’ runs into is that all of these systems are getting worked on individually. Everything’s segmented and put into tiny little boxes. But it’s not.
EVE needs to be a cohesive whole. The wardec system, crimewatch, sovereignty, ACLs, all of it needs to be inter-twined in a coherent way that works.
My lungs aren’t independent of my circulatory system. Heart’s not independent of the nervous system. Kidneys aren’t unaffected by digestion. Skin’s not separate from the immune system…
EVE needs to be a functioning organism, too.
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Your example CWG pay Red Frog (or whichever Frog) to haul several fleets worth of ships out there, they then travel ceptor (or even travel frig) out in clean clones, set up jump clones one system over, they maybe even move their medical clones once they have jump clones set up.
They then jump clone over and hit the structure. They can decide if they bother hitting the structure or not for the next timer based on the response. Keep doing this, and the other guys are going to get frustrated at the very least of having to continually form to defend their structure in case.
When it’s over, you Frog all your ships back again afterwards.
Also Yes @Arrendis Can’t agree more (even if we sometimes disagree on exactly how to make it cohesive)
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all you talk about is preventing “your” highsec moonbelts from more active players with better intel better fleet better commmunication… all this would result in more afk mining. no thats not the eve i want to life in
its totaly funny to see all this afk orcas yelling about “my property” in local and now even here in the forum… its fun and entertaining to “steal” that ore
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No, see, it’s completely not about afk mining. It’s about the fact that if you’re there, in the belt, mining… you still can’t stop them. You can’t do a damned thing. Gonna bump them all? The rocks get bumped and move with them. Congratulations.
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