Sorry, this isn’t very clear. Are you trying to say men don’t face ■■■■ talking? or are you saying men don’t face ■■■■ talking based on being a man who likes videogames?
Sorry if that was unclear. What I meant is that it is extremely rare that pvpers ■■■■-talk each other about “wow you’re such a man” and “lol you thought men could play” or “men don’t belong here go make me a sandwich” or “it was better before men started to play”, while such experiences are common place for women.
The fact that all gamers tend to face ■■■■-talk from non-gamers about being gamers is also an issue I definitely recognize, but that’s not what I was talking about. (I am sure we can bond over that regardless of our genders.)
Ahh ok, thanks for the clarification.
I think in general the reason for this is because gaming was a traditionally male space. Obviously the environment has evolved over the years from how it was in the 70’s when gaming was just a handful of nerdy guys in a university, but there’s still a bit of that lingering atmosphere. And it will likely continue until there’s a 50-50 split, at which time males will exist the space and look for something else.
The ■■■■ talking is also largely a result of men checking each other on a subconscious psychological level to make sure they’re worth having as friends. If a guy spazzes out at a little teasing, they’re seen as emotionally unstable, and not worth investing time into developing a friendship.
Society used to have rules that people would follow when dealing with the opposite sex, however, due to cultural pressures those rules have been eroded in the western cultural sphere.
So we kind of have a perfect storm where women are entering that competitive male space while at the same time young men and boys in the west are a lot less polite to women than they used to be. You also have the factor that EVE is a global server, and western women that are used to a certain standard set of behaviors from men are exposed to other cultures that are less tolerant toward feminism.
So that’s your in game jollies, to see how much rage you can get from a player to record it for “content”
That says way more about you than the survey could ever uncover and the fact that you deliberately go out to bait someone into raging, for “content”
Not really. It was always perceived as such, but we have always been here. (I played my first RPGs and computer games in the 1980s, so trust me, I know.) Women have always played, they have always been marginalized in the communities and pushed away from them. What’s changed is society no longer at large considers it acceptable, so it’s easier to be visible without having to do the “just one of the guys” song and dance.
I presume these were reported to the relevant authorities or in game to the Mods/CCP when they happened?
WTF is a “cis” woman or “cis” man?
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A slur designed to denigrate straight people.
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Shrug, just because you played games in the 80’s doesn’t make it not a traditionally male space. That said, personally I’m glad that’s changed.
Ok, let me try and get this straight in my head…
She’s complaining about how she or other women get treated in game, but is perfectly willing to insult and put a label on a player (male or female) who is playing a game about spaceships and doesn’t give a flying ■■■■ who is in the ship at the side of them.
I’m just a bloke playing an online spaceship game…
Is that about right?
I don’t “bait” anyone. They just do it. They will talk in local, or open a chat, or send mails. I hardly ever do any of these things with regards to any of my PvP engagements, unless as a response to a verbal interaction started by someone else. If they start raging at me because I destroyed their ship, that’s on them, and I feel fully entitled to save those records if I find them interesting.
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The prefix “cis-” comes from the Latin meaning “on this side,” as opposed to “trans-” which means “on the other side of” or “beyond.”
It just means that someone identifies as the same gender that they were assigned at birth. I have been called cis without being denigrated. Whether it is an insult or not depends on the intention of the speaker and any implied inferiority for the label, just as calling someone white or black, or any other race can be crafted into an insult if the speaker is bigoted against that race.
On its own, it is just a word to clarify that a person is not trans that uses the same sentence structure as referring to someone who is.
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The person who originally coined the term intended it as a slur.
That is indeed what I said in another (closed) thread about this particular survey:
If there are any elements in CCP’s advertising of our game to dissuade certain parts of any population to become a customer, then they should remove them. That’s all they should verify.
As to “policing” interactions between players, that is a subject that makes any sane person shudder. Personally, I do not want to go there. I’m of the opinion that “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”. Maybe that is typical of a certain type of upbringing, environment, maybe coupled with gender even, I do not know.
Although I’ve never seen it happen as such in my EvE environment, it’s very likely that those particular things will be said to unsettle females. Why ? Because females respond to it. Against males other things are said - as you very well know. Manhood will be questioned, relations with ur momma and ur sister, physical aspects, cowardness, stupidity, etc etc. Why ? Because males respond to that, and not if you tell them to go get you a beer and slippers. It’s psych games 101. Said males will either ignore or go into direct confrontation. Thousands of years have gone into perfecting those games, on both sides !..
And it’s rarely really personal. That is not to say that vulgarities should be “enjoyed” by all.
The real cringy stuff, out of downright stupidity and ignorance, lack of any capability towards empathy (hey, internet is anonymous so I can be at my vilest without really getting punished) and even pure malevolence, again, those are mere words from an anonymous individual in an environment where you are as anonymous as you yourself want to be. That, however, doesn’t give anyone the right - let alone the possibility - to request a re-education program game-wide. At most ccp can remove certain individuals who show excessively poor social behavior repeatedly.
The line of acceptance is crossed when it deals with politics, religion, sexuality and race, and that is where ccp did draw the line. Think about that for a while. No one belonging to certain political or religious views, enjoying a particular sexuality, belonging to a certain race, can claim preferential treatment in the game, nor attack someone else on that basis. It cuts both ways. And so it should. And no, this isn’t about free speech either, it’s all about creating an environment where people can be together with a minimum of interpersonal friction, an environment for which most of them pay to be a part of… So the wish of one party to talk about certain (and often highly personal, private) aspects of their lives is counterbalanced by the wish of another party to not have to listen (even endure) such talk, especially if it has nothing to do with the product and service - the game.
I had a muppet convo me a month or so ago, out of the blue, asking me what I thought of this summer’s protests in Paris. It was an alpha account of 1 or 2 days old. I asked him the reason of his asking a total stranger that loaded question, without answering him, of course. He told me “it must be nice to be privileged”. I don’t have to deal with such prejudice in a paying game about blowing up internet spaceships, so I blocked him and kept the very short chat log, as a “political” example. I did not report it, it was insignificant in the bigger picture.
Society doesn’t assign gender. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it’s usually a … duck ? Completely denying that nature itself has programmed roles and patterns differently into both natural genders is the blind way of judging societal realities. Even the physical differences point to those natural roles, and so will their psyche and their instinctive responses differ. From there it’s not a long stretch to assume that overall there will be differences in interests and activities for the genders. No one is a boy because their parents told them. There’s a little bit more to it than assigning a gender.
Sociology and other human sciences rarely have the luxury of performing verifiable experiments in the way natural sciences can. One can’t place a group of young boys and girls on an island and see how their society would emerge. But something on the wind whispers that there’s a high likelihood that the traditional roles would emerge, conform the physical and mental makeup of the individuals, granted to them by mother nature during an experiment as old as life on the planet.
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That sort of stuff is fairly normal, not that it happens every day but it’s not that uncommon and generally you’ll have to translate it yourself. Would it be aimed at a male character it’s “just the usual”, if it would be aimed at a female character they might use different wordings or insults but then, somehow, it’s worse?
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I think this is a great foundation for a very fruitful and entertaining conversation. I might run out of popcorn before it concludes. But then again, I pride myself with having a thick skin when it comes to that kind of stuff and rather watch these people dig their graves even deeper than to run away crying. 
once a miner, always a miner.
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You see it all the time when:
someone mines the rock of someone else out from under them
someone gets ganked
someone gets bumped once in an ice belt and returns for days attempting the same while ranting
someone gets wardecc’d and cant defend their station
someone gets uppity about a multiboxer on grid
^^^ this is its own special case, BlackFlag tend to get bent out of shape when ever someone refuse to play the game the way they do, hence using their rules, and interferes in their operations, forcing them to play a different way or otherwise pay attention to the “offender” in a way they do not want to…i do not know these days but back under the VMG alliance tag @Natural_CloneKiller used to be particularly nasty and guilty of doing this on a consistent basis
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