Hi and apologies if this is a common question. With the Caldari seemingly stringent and/or fickle about citizenship as determined by meritocratic values, I’m curious how the State treats capsuleers who don’t join official organizations and instead ‘split’ their loyalty to a private faction like player corps and alliances. Could it be treated like a contract where the Caldari corporate citizen is merely on loan according to arbitrary terms? How much would it matter to the State if the function of that organization is counter to State interests?
I’m asking from the “Patriot” perspective, if that helps.
So, the answer is, “well, it gets messy.” Independent capsuleers are given wide latitude, and so aren’t likely subject to the same pressures and punishment normal citizens would be. After all, independent starship captains are, by definition, independent and so can’t be threatened with Disassociation in the same way.
There are ‘graduation paper’ documents that players get for completing certain intro arcs that confirm that they’re regarded as ‘still a part of their parent empire,’ but largely outside the law.
Very nice, thanks. So the bureaucracy is also a key factor, providing a legal shield for the megacorp and pilot both. Clever. I wonder how the red tape itself could play into this darwinistic professional environment. Something to consider in future, maybe.
Yep! Of course, that’s the ‘standard’ situation. To a very real degree, the size of New Eden mean there will be plenty of exceptions to the standard. The trick is just to avoid being too snowflake-y and claiming things that actively conflict with the shared world, like being a CalNav operative, or a CONCORD agent, or such things. While people will roll with it to some degree, it’s impossible to back up if someone challenges you. :x
That said, there are a lot of folk who play loyalists with a much closer hew to the norms of their faction than the fluff indicates is necessary, and those who employ it consistently do quite well!
And as for bureacracy, what I’d say is this: consider contract law as much weapon as tool.
Unless CCP has retconned anything along this topic in the past few years, it would appear that State citizens who become capsuleers do retain their citizenship status with their respective mega.
It mentions a capsuleer, a non-Caldari bloodline one at that, to be a “State citizen.” And like Makoto mentioned earlier, it would appear that such capsuleers do indeed operate largely outside the law.
If someone wanted to roleplay as a Caldari Navy officer, then I would not try to argue with them.
This whole “Oooh it’s not in the game mechanics” stuff is only going on in Eve, it doesn’t happen in other RP games, and it’s amateur ■■■■■■■■.
Everytime I see Sansha or Blood Raiders being called out because they get shot at by NPC pirates, I groan, and I usually ignore that person’s roleplaying forever. I just can’t respect people who do not treat roleplaying as what it actually is: Improv theatre. I mean, do people think this neurotic nitpicking is fun? It’s ■■■■■■■ theatre, not a competition to out someone for not having technical data in order on CCP’s servers.
If someone says they are a research organization, I take them for their word. The same goes for the various Khanid Navy, Caldari Navy and all the Pirate Faction corps members I have run into.
CCP themselves will treat a player exactly as they present themselves. Coreli corporation members get invitations to Serpentis events because they are Serpentis, essentially.
Just because a lone wolf player hasn’t been officially stamped on the head with the CCP magick RP approval stamp doesn’t mean they are not legitimate.
This is exactly the sort of elitism that breeds contempt for people who are high profile and have been recognized. It is absolutely disgusting and doesn’t represent the spirit of true roleplay.
For example, if someone wanted to argue that Samira Kernher was not a legitimate vassal to House Ardishapur, via her Holder hierarchy, just because she doesn’t have “House Ardishapur” officially stamped into her character profile, that someone would be an asshole, and not a good roleplayer.
Once you go down this unfun nitpicky road to roleplaying, it never ends. For example, because someone is a Brutor traditionalist they have to fight for Amarr proper? What if they were, say, born in wormhole space on a Sisters of Eve vessel and were picked up by the Society of Conscious Thought? Is someone going to call me on that because it doesn’t say “SOCT” on my bio?
Falcon had a loyalty thread on the old forums for a reason - the game mechanics are limited, and he and his team know this. Why Eve players don’t understand this is completely beyond me.
There’s a simple in game answer to all of this stuff: capsuleers are special
But if they say they are something, then play along. That’s actually where we can have some fun.
Everytime I see Sansha or Blood Raiders being called out because they get shot at by NPC pirates, I groan, and I usually ignore that person’s roleplaying forever.
That’s a little unfair. If gameplay mechanics aren’t assisting with suspension of disbelief, you’re going to blame the player who no longer feels immersed because a players words are contradicted by everything the game presents?
I have friends who claim to be Sansha, roleplay Sansha, and I honestly wish the game would actually let them properly BE Sansha, it’s hard to immerse yourself when we’re trying to convince each other because everything on screen is making a mess of it.
Frankly. I have to disagree with you.
Claiming to be a loyalist or a believer is fine. But claiming to actually be in the direct organisation chain of an npc organisation while not getting any info, any support, not having to obey any orders, not getting locked into npc standings, and not having any consequences for inappropriate behaviour is bs and borders on God mode rp to where you are claiming control over npcs.
However claiming to be sani sabik and a believer in the blood raiders. Go right ahead. You can do exactly the same actions based off being a believer/loyalist without needing to claim you are actually in the hierarchy. And loyalists would still get invites now and then to things.
And that is known as tempering your roleplay for the immersion of others. Which creates a more consistent experience overall for everyone. And makes everyone have more fun at rp. (ok. There is always one exception)
And this exactly why I only roleplay with regular players, and not RP snobs. I follow the rules of RP snobs, but I certainly don’t consider myself one, as it’s bad for roleplaying and it’s boring anyways.
There’s also the fact that CCP often holds special events for roleplay corps, so it could be that someone actually has met Sansha Kuvakei, that someone in Coreli has actually been acknowledged in Serpentis hierarchy.
CCP Falcon is a very busy guy.
I always assume good faith. So yep I disagree with both of you and I will carry on as I have before. It’s not a nice thing to do to our fellow roleplayers (some of whom may not have been roleplaying for 20+ years in a MUD/Forum enviroment as I have) and it discourages newbies from joining us.
I always assume good faith. So yep I disagree with both of you and I will carry on as I have before. It’s not a nice thing to do to our fellow roleplayers (some of whom may not have been roleplaying for 20+ years in a MUD/Forum enviroment as I have) and it discourages newbies from joining us.
Okay, so if I start roleplaying as a Klingon, are you going to accept that?
Had to grab a hold of this one: Nope, it has gone on pretty much any MMORPG I’ve played. Specifically, claiming to be a race or class / profession not available in game WILL get you harped on in other games just as well, unless things have changed - might’ve, haven’t played other momurpegers than EVE in a couple of years now.
Of course, most people will often roll with it, to a point, like they do in this game as well.
On the contrary, I don’t think you can claim that “oh, this kind of RP nitpickery only happens in EVE, EVE players are stupid”, when it pretty much happens in any game.
Look, I do agree with most of your sentiments, I do, but sounds like you’re on a crusade of some kind right now.
But you did? Maybe not those exact words, but you gotta admit, that’s what they sound like, especially when you start piling on terms like “RP snobs”. I’m not a RP snob, but even my suspension of disbelief potion runs out sometimes. Particularly I have, due to past experiences, problem with people who try to lord over other people’s RP. I believe we share this same feeling, yes?
EDIT: I feel we probably need another topic not to mess up this one further, but I think the “state of RP community” threads usually devolve into flaming and often get send in to digital hell by moderation teams.
