Happy New Year, pilots!
I wish you all great Profits in the New Year!
And let all Gallente who stand on your way die!
Glory to the State!
D. Kim, Strike Cmdr.
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Happy New yearās!
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Go ā ā ā ā yourself, Kim.
To all the rest of you Happy New Year.
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For illustrative purposes.
The Caldari State has manufactured an identity to justify the greed of a few who thought that they would do better outside of the Federation. In doing so, they essentially launched a coup on the Morning of Reasoning. They then hijacked the Caldari people and lead them into a war that they ultimately could not win.
The Caldari joined the Federation and acted in bad faith. And the warmongers that started the whole thing didnāt care one bit about the Caldari people or Caldari prime.
The entire State is dependent upon an indoctrination program that essentially feeds lies to State citizens. The honorable thing would be for the citizens to take these CEOs and toss them in a cell, then set up a peopleās committee to make peace with the Federation.
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First of all, Caldari were forced to join the Federation by economical oppression. It were Gallente who made us join them, acting in bad faith, we were just trying to survive and stand tall, saving our identity and securing our future for our children. Itās quite easy to find in History books of Nascent era of Federal history. We were encircled by them. Building outside colonies allowed us to ābreakā this encirclement and develop outside of the Federation.
And once again, it was the Federation who acted in bad faith when they discovered our colonies, changing their laws and putting unlawful demands to us.
The secession was started not by warmongers, but by people who believes that the will of Caldari people is carried on by Corporations and not by any democratic puppets, fallen for gallente perversive ideals.
Now, thatās straightforward lie.
The Morning of Reasoning has already happened after the Seccession, after Nouvelle Rouvernor attack, and after Gallenteans bombarded Caldari Prime. The war was already going on, the war that Galelnte went in on us to subjugate our freshly formed Caldari State under their murderous boot.
During the Morning of Reasoning we got rid of spineless cowards who couldnāt stand to defend Caldari and would prefer to talk to these invaders and monsters instead of giving them what they came at us with: WAR.
It already was going on - Morning of Reasoning showed two things: that we are Caldari, and that we never surrender. Come at us with a sword and you will die from a sword.
Glory to the State!
The entire State is a test to separate the wheat from the chaff. Either you have what it takes to make it, or you donāt.
For those who canāt, thereās always complaining about it in public as the piss-weak are want to do.
Oh right, and the activation of the VH451 stargate in Luminaire which begun the period of interstallar colonization (The Gallente via the International Space Cooperative and Caldari via private corporations) predates the actual formation of the Federation by about six centuries.
The government of colonies in what is today the State were Caldari corporations centuries before the Federation even existed. Now when the Federation did not recognize Caldari corporations as the legal government of those colonies, then by rights they could never be party to signing the Federal charter in the first place.
Maybe learn your own history before opening your idiot mouth, Vea.
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Some people get it. Some donāt. itās okay
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And obviously you donāt have a ā ā ā ā ā ā ā clue about the State.
The traditional Napanii honourific for a Megacorp CEO is āTirokkotunā which translates to Warlord or in Gallente dialects, Tyrant.
The preferred form of leadership for Caldari has always been the Warlord, the Dictator, and the Tyrant. This remained true whether you look at the Raata Empire, its Successor States, or even the democratic Caldari nations upon contact with the Gallente which were organized as Executive Presidencies granted sweeping powers and which legislatures existed as nothing more than the rubber stamp for Presidential policy.
The tyranny of Caldari corporate Executives is not taken from the populace, it is power bestowed upon corporate Warlords as legitimate.
Yet you come here and say thousands of years of tradition in Caldari dictatorship, which has proven both effective and successful in securing the interests of the Caldari people and culture and say itās wrong and I know nothing.
I daresay it is you who know nothing about Caldari.
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. . . she told the Deteis Marine veteran of the liberation of Caldari Prime.
Just because someoneās been exposed to more ideas and found one they think might be better doesnāt mean they donāt know about what theyāre suggesting an alternative to.
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When the most recent popular revolution as exemplified by the CPD did not reject dictatorship, but in fact promoted more of it, then it would appear alternatives are not sought.
Youāre going to have to do much more than copypaste Gallente counterfactuals to overthrow the entrenched value systems of trillions of Caldari.
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Iām not going to have to do anything, Iām just pointing out that the person youāre claiming doesnāt know anything about the Stateās pretty much had the same State upbringing and indoctrination you had, and kept running into trouble in the Empire more or less for being ātoo Caldariā. So, yāknow, with that in mindā¦ yākinda making yerself look like an ignāant Galnet troll whut donāt do no researchinā.
Frankly, I donāt give a ratās ass if ya like beinā tyrannical warlords to one another. Thatās yer affair and have at. Iām just pointing out how Ms. Veik āI-Will-Remind-Everyone-Regularly-That-I-Am-So-Smart-I-Am-Running-Fifty-Shades-of-Obfuscation-on-Everythingā Geskaarin is so smart, she managed to look like a dumbass.
So, yāknow, sāall good.
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You know, that claim and what is portrayed publicly at this time donāt match up very well.
Actually, Iām just taking issue with a few statements in Alizabethās post. Such as:
Because from the outset this creates a nonsense. Caldari Megacorporations could not sign the Federal charter because they were considered not legitimate by the Gallente. The formation of the State was to assert the legitimacy of Caldari corporate governance because they could not join the Federation in the first place.
You cannot break an agreement you were never party to.
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This is splitting hairs. Although signatory status to the Federal Charter was limited to recognition based on popular sovereignty, to my recollection the Caldari Megacorps were all recognized within the legal framework of Gallente corporate governance. They were considered every bit as legitimate as any Gallente-ācharteredā corporation. And considering the level of influence they wielded in the ādemocraticā Caldari governments of the period, the Megacorps were hardly being oppressed.
Unless you consider being expected to play fair within the rules that apply to everyone else āoppression,ā which of course we know was what the Megacorps really couldnāt stand.
From what Iāve been able to find, even in Gallente records, what the Megacorps couldnāt stand was being told that the Federation was going to lay claim to vast amounts of private property that pre-dated the existence of the Federation itself. As there was no proviso in the Federation Charter for pre-existing extra-solar colonies, the Gallente position was a naked power-play of questionable legality. Thatās hardly āplaying fair within the rules that apply to everyone elseā. Thatās āweāre going to steal your crap because we think we can and screw you and the rulesā.
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Well, thatās not really the place for this discussion, but I canāt ignore such blatant ignorance.
So called ārulesā were āchangedā right against Caldari - by placing an unlawful demand to Corporations to submit their property to the government. It was neither fair play, nor applied to everyone.
āAccording to Charter law, it was perfectly legal for colonies to be established independently, as had been done for centuries.ā
āIt didnāt take long for the majority opinion in the Senate to demand that the once-hidden Caldari colonies be classed as Federation territory, which included the relinquishment of corporate sovereignty and the immediate establishment of democratic authorities. Voices within the Senate that said otherwise were simply drowned out by the Ultra-Nationalistsā - āLuminate Era of the Gallente Federationā
RTFM.
If youād rather not have your topic derailed by another rehash of ancient history, Iāve got no problem respecting that. But you came out the gate engaging on the topic from your very first reply to @Alizabeth_Vea. So it sure looks like this is the place for the discussion, judging by your own posts.
Suffice to say, my original point was that the Megacorps were organized in accordance with Gallente law. Hell, the Gallente were the ones what introduced the whole concept in the first place. The idea that they āwere not considered legitimateā by the Gallente just isnāt true.
As for the second part of my statement, as has been said beforeā¦ what you refer as a ānaked power grabā was for many Gallente an attempt to guarantee basic human rights for the colonists.
Rather than derailing Kimās topic further by continuing my paean to the virtues of Gallente democratic ideals, Iāll simply state that @Alizabeth_Vea expressed a view that has plenty of support in history, even if it is a biased view. That I happen to agree with.
Now, by all means @Diana_Kim, you should return the topic to whatever purpose you originally intended.
You can discuss whatever you want, and there are forum tools for making corresponding discussion threads. Learn to use them, gallentean.
Ah, okay? You do realize I chimed in on an already ongoing discussion between other people in this thread? My comment was directly relevant to what Arrendis, Gesakaarin, and Vea had already been talking about for days.