And this is a response to my observation? OMG …
Maybe check the server statistics for the last 5 years …
You are wrong. I know eight rookies who resigned because they lost everything many times to idiot gankers. They give up because it’s dull to start at the beginning again and again.
You can twist reality, but the fact is that the number of active players has remained at the same value for many years—26k.
However, I suspect that the subscription cost also plays an important role here.
Something goes wrong if the number of players increases after a huge advertising session, and then everything returns to its old values.
New players join everyday, i blame the toxicity (not ganking) on why most dont stay
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Maybe it is worth making a list of the potential resignation reasons?
If they can’t cope with PvP in a PvP game then they should leave. Telling me that you know 8 people who had no idea how to fit their ships properly, mine safely, avoid ganks, etc, is not a sign that something is wrong with the game.
Again, you are wrong.
Where can rookies learn that? In Low Sec? Null sec?
Where can they take skills, earn isks for buying skills, collect battle experience, and join big corporations as valuable members? What the gangs do is idiocy, which discourages them from playing.
Yes, that is a problem with the game and toxic community.
Besides, you’ve beautifully proven that EVE is a niche game for people with a “unique” psyche.
Finally, the number of active players is static, and that’s a business failure if CCP can’t attract and retain new players.
Can I have all your stuff ?
Maybe I’m just hanging around in the wrong chats or sectors or something. I see more people being helpful in chat than annoying trolls, but I may be on at the wrong times. I don’t see much chat in local, but when there’s actual chat (as opposed to Referral, Scam, Hypernet or Trade spam) it’s usually more towards the question/help/chitchat side of things and less on griefing or trolling.
Can you give me an example of what sort of toxicity you feel new players are experiencing? Not asking for hard proof or numbers, just a general idea where people think new-ish players are encountering toxic/turnoff behaviour from other players.
Thats a but greedy don’t you think?
Thanks for giving me the next extraordinary proof of the mentality of the local community.
You perfectly represent what is causing this game to stagnate and why players on forums call it the most toxic. It’s a waste of time to talk to you. You have nothing to say. Pure, thoughtless emptiness shines through from the last comment.
She is terrible, I wouldn’t give her your stuff if I were you , she doesn’t share.
Please read negative opinions on Steam and a few other similar forums. Browse this thread, and you will easily find the main characters who effectively discourage you from playing.
I don’t give a damn about the drivel of such intellectual giants as “Zaera Keena” and her two henchmen, but rookies take it all very personally.
I’m not exactly ‘all over’ the internet, but even I am aware that some people, granted anonymity, will write awful things to and about others. I’m sure you’re aware of it, too, Bard.
My experience of EVE is that these exchanges are no worse here than in other online games, and that there does exist a sprinkling of folks who are committed to quite normal relations. Dealing with challenging behaviour can be learned. Mostly, I just ignore it.
Certainly, I’ve heard that people outside the game believe that EVE has a reputation for being harsh and unforgiving; that you can get blown up, loose all your stuff, get scammed, ridiculed. So what?
I happen to believe that liars, hypocrites, and those fond of hurling personal insults, can also be harmful. They, too, adopt the fig-leaf of anonymity in order to get away with their behaviour.
I am a mature and reasonable man. No one can make me do anything in a niche point-and-click space sim - that I don’t want to do.
There are no ‘sticks and stones’ in EVE, Bard, and as we know, ‘words shall never hurt me’.
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I know that many negative opinions, like positive ones, can be false, written under the influence of emotion or on demand. That’s why I check what people write and where they write it. Sometimes, I ask for the character’s name to verify if they really play.
I would just like to remind you that this thread is not about how you or I deal with fools and toxic players because I don’t give a damn about them either, but about why the number of active players is still, has been unchanged for years.
Do you think that a 13-15-year-old is very mentally mature and resistant to bullying, which happens here often?
We are trying to find reasons for this and what to do so that new players don’t get discouraged after max. 3 months.
No, I quite get that, Bard. But you and others seem to be convinced that the harshness of some exchanges in EVE is, or could be, responsible for EVE’s popularity.
It is impossible to state with certainty. There will always be people who fold under pressure, whose emotional balance is so fragile that it is quite easily upset. I’ve no doubt that there are people who do this deliberately, in EVE and in Life.
Such behaviour may lead to uninstalling the game and bad-mouthing it in other locations, but perhaps EVE’s population remains stable for the same reason that society in general remains stable. Equilibrium.
W S Gilbert writes (in a song)
“…nature always does contrive
that everyone who’s born alive
is either a little Liberal
or else a little Conservative!”
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Whoever made that flowchart, got no idea what a flowchart is, just wrote some random words into some boxes that makes no sense.
Fx Did you mine today? No - Did you get Scammed? No - Continue Mining
Impossible to be there, yet there is a path on the chart.
Random words is just stupid, not funny.
When Eve was hard, it had 3 times as many players online at any given time.
Its the easy mode street for certain playstyles that is one big reason Eve is losing players.
Another is of course the total CCP control over playstyles etc, disabling players ability to make a choice and live with the consequences of that choice - as one of the main selling lines for Eve was.
In Highsec, it certainly felt organic, dynamic. There was a sense that, if you could conceive and execute a plan - in whatever field - the mechanics were there to facilitate that.
You’re right. CCP has found it necessary to neuter the game somewhat. I don’t believe that they wanted to do this. Icelanders have a dark and quite brutal sense of humour. But if the majority of your paying players have cultural backgrounds which are focussed on making folks feel safe, everywhere, then that will naturally filter through to the game.
EVE’s population will go up and down, and we should expect that. I really don’t see the point of worrying about it. If the game goes into managed decline; so what?
I still have as much chance of seeing tomorrow’s dawn as of not seeing it. EVE’s vicissitudes will make not a jot of difference.
It is so stupid , it is brilliant like an exibit of cow dung in an art exhibition