Do you want to learn how to PvP in EVE? Give the 20 Frigate Plan a try


(Shriven Intaki) #1

First let me preface this by stating that the 20 Frigate Plan is not something that I can take any credit for coming up with but I have not seen it mentioned on these Forums yet and I’d hate to see a good idea die out.

What is the 20 Frigate Plan you ask?

The basic premise of the 20 Frigate Plan is that you go buy 20 of your favorite Frigates fit them all out exactly the same and then head out and ‘lose’ them.

Go to Low-sec (or Null-Sec) and lose twenty of your favorite Frigates or lose Frigates until you can kill 4 pilots in a row with the same fit without dying.

After each engagement try to document it with an ‘After Action Report’ with some of the following information in it:

  1. Overview, Goals and Objectives:

    • An overall summary of the fight. Was the range dictated? What was the fit you used? Was that fit effective against your opponent?
  2. Analysis of outcomes:

    • What worked? What didn’t? Did your Pod escape?
  3. Conclusion/Summary and Post Action Thoughts:

    • Did you forget to overheat? Did you miss noticing your opponents drones? What could help improve your survivability in the future? Do some research and see if you can find your opponents fit on zKillboard.

After every fight think about sending a message to your opponent and thank them for a good fight. Tell them you want to get better at PvP and ask what you could do to improve. Some will respond, some will not, some will send you ISK and the fit they used, some will send you some pointers, others will send salt and scams but just take it all in, send thanks when appropriate and move on to your next fight.

If you’re brand new to EVE the best part of this ‘After Action Report’ documention is that your pilot will end up having a good combat log that can be submitted with an API to a PvP Corp. Most will enjoy the read about your evolution into a combat pilot.

This doesn’t necessarily need to be done with 20 Frigates, you could do this with 20 Cruisers or 20 Battleships or 50 Frigates but for the newer pilots sticking with 20 Frigates will be fairly inexpensive while giving you an introduction to PvP in EVE, a solid lesson in loss and hopefully a number of ‘good fights’ that will get your heart pumping.

(Oreb Wing) #2

Instead of fitting 20 ships exactly the same, I would recommend to start with an afterburner fit, preferably brawl, with as much tank as it can muster.

The longer you last, the more time you have to judge your mistakes and the various details of a confrontation.

When you die, take the time to take a look at the opponents ship information. Notice its bonuses, its base stats like speed, drone bay, utility highs.

Before taking a fight, play with the habit of aligning out from a distance (something easy to do while inside a complex in faction warfare space) and take a look at a ship’s speed as they accelerate towards you. When you get comfortable with establishing what is a moderately safe distance, take a ‘Look at’ their ship and see if you can tell what weapon system they have on those hardpoints. If you’re prealigned you can warp away at any moment.

What damage are they doing and bonused towards?
What damage are you doing, and at what range?
What’s your/their tank like? Buffer, active, limited cap or cap injector supported?

Details you can only build by experience. It can take 20 ships to get that, or it can take you less if you just take a moment to find a safespot and pull the ship information from a quick market search on any ship you’re not familiar with.

Don’t linger too much on your weaknesses. Spend first more time understanding an opponent’s strengths rather than modifications to your own ship to improve something that may not help at all.

Who knows, you might even learn how to counter fit and, even better, do bait counter fits and actually get more fights.

(Dravick Afterthought) #3

Given that you are by definition talking to the inexperienced, could you suggest a suitable (inexpensive) specific fit to start off with ?

(erg cz) #4

[Tristan, 75mm passive]

400mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

75mm Gatling Rail II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5

5 milions including drones. Your buffer will let unexperienced pilot at least understand what is going on instead of immidiate pop with active tank. Keep at range 5 km and try to apply all your high slots and drones on any brawler, that will attack you. Learn how to sling shot kiters - you have buffer for at least 2 attempts.

(Lena Crews) #5

I feel like maybe 10 brawlers, then 10 kiters then 10 neut focused would be the way to go.

I tried with kiting tristans with this and struggled to get positive results. I then went to more of a brawl fit (well… an 8km Tormentor that didn’t need to focus on range much) and it was much easier. when I came back to the Tristan that was easier too.

(Oreb Wing) #6

If you are in a group, fit for a mix of tank and dps. Use a Merlin, a Punisher, or an Incursus. Something that will likely not get primaried or called as the first target. Your higher dps will make you that much more useful.

If you have poor turret skills, go for a drone ship, as drones have better consistent dps and there is no drone tracking skill you have to train, just dps and a full fight. That 75mm rail Tristan is not too bad. I prefer the 125’s with a 200mm plate. Better range and dps with antimatter.

(Dravick Afterthought) #7


(Shriven Intaki) #8

Learn how to PvP by using the 20 Frigate Plan!

(Shriven Intaki) #9

Learn how to PvP by using the 20 Frigate Plan!

Here is just one example of a Frigate you could use - a pretty standard kiting Tristan:

[Tristan, Kiting]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Extender II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Acolyte II x5

(Sebs Pride) #10

I originally fitted a art rifter, with 38km range on its guns I very quickly learned how to kite people, but more importantly, though my loss mails I also learned how to deal with it.

Also I had a blast, I would be able to fight off against ships like algos, or navy vexor, may not be able to kill a vexor in my T1 arty rifter, but blowing up his drones made me feel alive.

(Shriven Intaki) #11

Learn how to PvP by using the 20 Frigate Plan!

(Shriven Intaki) #12

Learn how to PvP by using the 20 Frigate Plan!

Another example of a Frigate you could use - a dual tank Breacher:

[Breacher, Dual Tank]
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x2