I keep seeing freighters being ganked in hisec. Switch to Orca. I can’t remember the last time I was ganked ( Orca | Michelle Vega | Killmail | zKillboard ) and I come from 0.0 to Amarr and back three days each week, every week, all year long. You can find amazing fits on reddit especially for hisec. Thank me later 
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There is nothing in high sec that can’t be ganked in under 20 seconds if they deem you valuable enough to kill….
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Orca does allow for cloak/mwd making it more difficult to scan and, potentially, gank.
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What fits into an Orca that anyone with a sane mind would use a Freighter for?
Ore, generally. Lots of people need to move more stuff than a DST can haul but they don’t need the cargo of a freighter, especially when taking their annoyance in use into account.
I bet thats the definition of “niche”. But thats just me…
That depends on whether or not a muppet is flying the freighter.
It being an Orca and having mining support bonuses, I’d say that it’s right up its alley. I don’t use it for that since I don’t mine but it’s an obvious use case.
If you tell me how I can transport 1M m³ or 600k m³ or 400k m³ in an Orca, I might switch.
I guess the OP isn’t talking about “mining” scenarios… because who would use a freighter for that?
I mean, a max-cargo fitted Orca can transport like 100k Cargo + 40k Fleet Hangar + 187k Ore Hangar. But then it has really crappy HP compared to a freighter that can easily hold more cargo with MUCH more tank.
Or you fit max-tank on you orca, well… then it can rival a tanked freighter in HP, but absolutely suck in cargo…
The only real usecase is if you have right between 65k and 250k Cargo and that mainly with stuff that can fit into the Ore Hold. So, yes I can see people using that… but still thats pretty niche in my book… that idea of “lets not use freighters, lets use Orcas!!!” seems to be quite a bit bold of a statement given it’s narrow gap of being a real alternative.
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Freighters have more EHP, more cargo capacity (even when fitted for tank), and are the same price as orcas. Why does OP think Orcas are better?
Let’s be real here, it only takes 3 Cenotaphs to kill a freighter even less so an Orca, I would presume. If gankers really want your ship destroyed, it will be done, it doesn’t matter how much value you might be carrying. MWD+Cloak trick only works against the “lazy” gankers.
Freighters can be just as hard to catch as the mwd+cloak trick by simply using a webber alt to get the freighter into warp way faster.
I would perhaps be more likely to believe that the “old” freighters need a rework, given more recently added ships to the game.
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not anymore…
Ganking is too easy and inexpensive, and it lacks genuine counterplay.
#Exploit
People are asking for that… for more than a decade.
I mean, CCP has shown that an Avalanche works, a Bowhead works, Orcas work, without “breaking the game”. What the hell is the problem finding a proper design for all 4 Freighters and JFs, allowing them to use real “Fittings” that you can manage actively, even bait in and have some surprises in the sleeve? I don’t believe for a second that this is overly complex to come up with. Jeez, I would volunteer to give them the basic stats for the ship attributes and I doubt it cost me more than a few hours to come up with a working concept that is pretty well balanced. It isn’t witchcraft…
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If I move anything it’s broken up into smaller faster ships. I don’t mind the extra jumps.
“Don’t put all your eggs in one basket” kind of deal.
CCP is just lazy, and likes that there’s a simple, giant isk faucet in the form of easy ganking.
If they implemented fittings for freighters or general improvements to haulers that would make them much harder to gank, they would have to deal with the fact that hisec is too safe in general.
Right now ganking is possible because of two factors:
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People are dumb
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Gankers have an intimate knowledge of hisec mechanics and their loopholes.
Though I do think one mechanic needs a big change: gankers ejecting from their ships and boarding a corvette to avoid CONCORD. They should just be locked in the ship, unable to eject, unable to dock, unable to take a gate. These restrictions would only be lifted once they have been concorded.
Except that if they added more fitting slots to freighters, it would look more like the Avalanche and have either less EHP or about the same as they do now.