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[Amarrian_Broker]

thanks

[Daichi_Yamato]

Assault damage controls should have probably been made for haulers and barges. But something like this should certainly come with a slower concord response or the ability for gankers to warp away from a target that suddenly becomes 4x more difficult to kill.

[Algathas]

No. There are already plenty of ways to haul your stuff and 100% avoid gankers. We don’t need to increase laziness with a hauler panic button.

Plus, it won’t work anyway. They can just get you to trigger it and then once it’s done cycling bring in the actual gank.

[Shipwreck_Jones]

Okay, but only if it works like this. 50% to negate all damage for 30seconds, and 50% change to immediately and irrevocably biomass the toon and leave the freighter floating in space.

If that doesn’t work for you, perhaps you should try using existing risk management strategies like not overloading your freighters with too much value and using intel tools like eve gatecamp check.

[Scoots_Choco]

Using the button should just delete your EVE account and hardware ban you from ever accessing EVE again.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Algathas

Plus, it won’t work anyway. They can just get you to trigger it and then once it’s done cycling bring in the actual gank.

This, the whole idea is nothing but dev make work for this reason.

[Scoots_Choco]

@Amarrian_Broker

gankers have it far too easy to throw away a 3m ISK ship on a 2B ISK freighter!

Sounds like someone has never actually tried to gank a Freighter before…

[Renly_Rohan]

Was this about a panic button or a panic module? About freighters or haulers in general?

The idea of a better tank available through manual activation of modules I like though. IDK if any T1 haulers or if any true freighters have hardener bonuses but maybe some or some more should. That would not give quite what the OP is asking for, but the OP is asking for too much. But giving pilots more ability to prevent HS ganks when they are actually at the keyboard is a good thing…in my estimation. I think CCP`s estimation is different however, and I cannot deny they have more info.

[Black_Pedro]

@Amarrian_Broker

Can we get some sort of bastion/ panic module that when under attack (ganked) it can mitigate %75 of the damage for 60 seconds?

This will allow better trading in different regions and anyone that AFK’s can still be ganked.

Freighters are already extremely safe. I am not sure they need yet another direct buff to their EHP, even one that requires a button to be pushed to activate. Also, such a mechanism might tread on the toes of the DST which has something similar done with overheating and is already overshadowed by the freighter.

-1 then, unless there is some clear evidence a balance change is needed.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Amarrian_Broker

Pressing F1 isn’t hard.

You can try just doing this. But you may be surprised.

[Scipio_Artelius]

-1

Incompetent haulers shouldn’t get yet another buff to their lazy play.

Good freighter pilots and services deserve to keep what edge they still have left.

[Black_Pedro]

@Amarrian_Broker

I fail to see throwing away a 3m ISK ship killing a 2b ISK ship as gameplay. The hauler is content where as the content should be from both sides while the attack is happening.

But how does making Freighters even harder to kill create “content”?

If you want more interaction and game play between both sides, then your idea should try to do that, not make it harder.

@Amarrian_Broker

I have a feeling that the people that complain about this in the forums are the ones flying the Catalysts!

Dude, you are the one asking for a one-sided change to make your game easier. Maybe take a look in the mirror?

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Amarrian_Broker

it creates a level playing field of ‘content’ for the person at the keyboard piloting the freighter

level?

You mean the SOLO pilot is ENTITLED to survive when TWENTY pilots attack him?

Try making friends, using a scout, webber.

Don’t be so entitled that you dismiss the efforts of a TEAM over a SOLO player.

[Black_Pedro]

@Amarrian_Broker

Once a freighter is attacked there is no counter, it can’t fight back. Using resources outside of the game to check gatecamps is fine but that outside of the game.

Then why not propose something that adds play and counterplay? Pressing an “I win” button the criminals can’t counter doesn’t seem balanced or likely to create interactions.

@Amarrian_Broker

Tell me what is the risk v reward for using a a cheap frigate to gank a very expensive freighter on a throw away alt.

The criminals are the risk vs. reward. Without them, freighters are perfectly safe. There needs to be ways to impose consequences on the greedy, lazy, and incompetent for the game to work.

The criminals face all sorts of risks and costs, and no guarantee of a reward. I’ll agree with your observation there could be more play and counterplay around crime in this game, especially when it comes to vigilantes and player police, but there is plenty of gameplay already in hunting industrial ships and avoiding criminals. There are dozens of things you can do to avoid being a lucrative target or being caught, but as the hauler you are the mouse here, or maybe the antelope, and the criminals are the lions.

That’s the game here - a basic predator/prey one. Making the prey just harder to kill doesn’t make the game better at all as a decade of nerfs to highsec piracy have shown - it just happens less. Any idea to truly make this better (and not just make life easier for the industrialist) needs more imagination than “moar EHP!”

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Amarrian_Broker

There is no counter to this type of attack.

Yes there are, others have pointed out the counters, the fact that you don’t know how doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Try teamwork, using scouts, using webbers, etc.

Lrn2Play before you post changes.

[Black_Pedro]

@Amarrian_Broker

This statement works both ways in this scenario. Using alts to gank then fly to safe, wait, dock up, wait for the next. Rinse and repeat. It’s not hard or competent gameplay.

Have you ever tried it?

Finding viable targets and avoiding being exploded while you are both free-to-shoot and being chased by NPCs isn’t trivial. And even if you do succeed you have to secure the loot.

Maybe there are some changes that could be made here to make more space for players to mess with criminals. But buffing Freighters (yet again) doesn’t seem to address any of this. It just increases the costs on the gankers changing the target profile, but introduces no new game play.

@Amarrian_Broker

An alt loosing a 3m frigate and having a reduced sec status (on a character that is only used to gank). Reward isn’t just the cargo inside it’s Zkillboard too, freighters can be empty and still get ganked.

I’m quite confused on this. Killmails aren’t rewards, and least in any material sense.

If a fleet ganks an empty ship they get nothing and lose a bunch of ISK when CONCORD shows up and explodes them. Which is why this happens only rarely, when there is some other reason to make such disincentivized game decision. Almost all ganking is standard piracy where they are looking for a reward, and whether that is possible is completely under the control of the hauler.

This is a sandbox game so we get to make up the reasons we do things.

@Amarrian_Broker

Other ships have drone bays and guns, shooting each other makes the prey harder to kill thus making the game better. I’m not asking for guns on a freighter but I am trying to suggest a mechanic that stops AFK’ers and increases gameplay for BOTH predator and prey.

Ok, well this mechanic isn’t it. There is no counter play here for the predator, just more free cheese for the mice.

I mean, if CCP decides freighters don’t have enough EHP to carry the amount of goods they think they should and so CCP wants to increase their EHP and thus the cost to gank, then I am for tying that to an new active module. That’s better than just giving them more EHP across the board like they did with the DCU changes. But that isn’t going to create any new “gameplay” - it just changes the profit calculation - so I suggest you stop trying to sell this idea as such.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Amarrian_Broker

Please try reading

This from the person who ignores all the responses that make his idea bad.

[Amarrian_Broker]

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[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Amarrian_Broker

I’m trying to reply with a counter

Repeating nonsense over and over is not a discussion.

Anyway, I have reached my 3 response limit and you can have the last word, wrong or not

[Gaming513_Tyler]

DSTs and freighters fill different specialties. Freighters can hold huge volumes and be tanky, but have nothing more to them.

DSTs hold less and arent as tanky, but have a fleet hangar which can be used by fleetmates for depositing and taking things, and can use the MWD-Cloak trick to be reasonably safe while hauling in most of lowsec, and potentially some nullsec areas. The DST also travels MUCH faster than a freighter even with a web alt, so if you arent carrying too much for a DST to carry you use the DST.

Essentially, The DST’s meta is its ability to be used outside hisec and can travel faster, but it has less cargo capacity than freighters as a result