Dual Tank Astero dies to Heron

I just lost a dual rep tank Astero to a Heron. I have only been playing for a few months and I thought I was finally ready to gank an explorer in Nullsec. Joke was on me… the guy lit me up like the fourth of July.

Not sure what I did wrong other than jump the wrong guy. He said he knew I was in the system and was baiting me. He had fitted it for full pvp. He didn’t even have a probe launcher fit lol.

Well, this is an expensive lesson. Not sure hat the lesson is other than I am not ready for pvp.


Didn’t you have fun?

You are ready, because you sought it out. That is the test one must pass to be “ready” for it.

What you need is practice.


Without seeing the fit and without being a PvP expert.

  1. As said, good job, you did PvP. Losing is part of the journey.
  2. Dual tank is rarely advisable as it comes at the cost of utility and dps normally.

I really disagree with this. On a T1 frigate (and even then not all of them, like the Merlin), sure, but on most ships for solo, it’s a requirement in my eyes.

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What do you mean by dual tank? Just to make sure we are discussing the same thing.

Not dual reps, dual tank.
Like shield + armor.

OP specifically said “dual reps,” and you said it’s rarely advisable. So I said I disagree.

I do not disagree that tanking shields and armor at the same time is bad.

Op said dual tank in the topic title so that’s what I was going off.

Well, I’m in the habit of reading the entire thing before passing judgement, so I don’t know what to tell you. ¯ \ _ (ツ)_ / ¯


That my brain did the human thing and didn’t properly take in the word rep in the middle of dual rep tank in the post is probably what to tell me. :slight_smile:
Though without clarification from OP we won’t know which way was right.

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Sorry guys here is the build I was using. Any tips are always appreciated! (I got this from a wingspan video)

[Astero, Wingspan Astero Tank]
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer

Relic Analyzer II
Small Capacitor Booster II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Small Nanobot Accelerator II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Explosive Armor Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16
Nanite Repair Paste x23
Navy Cap Booster 400 x8

I’m actually having a hard time believing that that setup died to a Heron…

His missiles blew through me so fast. I mean, I had all my armor stuff going and it was not even close to saving me.

I tackled him while he was hacking a site thinking… oh yeah… my first kill!

Well little did I know he was waiting for me and was totally fitted for combat… not sure what I could have done differently outside of just not engaging or perhaps cutting combat as soon as I saw the damage coming in and thro those ecm drones out.

He linked me his build but I deleted the conversation once we were done chatting like an idiot.

A Heron has 3 weapons and no damage bonus. Even overheated and with polarized weapons, he might have been pushing 150 DPS, and you shouldn’t have melted, at the very least.

Do you keep automatic chat logs?

[Heron, Heron]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Warp Scrambler II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Relic Analyzer II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster

Rocket Launcher II
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II

Small EM Shield Reinforcer I
Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

Hobgoblin II x7

Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Void S x2928
Navy Cap Booster 50 x74
Null S x3000
Nova Rage Rocket x2982

I messaged him again! Nice guy.

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He did say his skills were really trained up and he felt that had a lot to do with it. I dunno… I feel like I def did something wrong but had too much adrenaline going to tell you what it was. Maybe I ran out of cap and was not paying attn?

Breaking your tank with that setup, while you still have cap charges to use, is a mathematical impossibility. That setup can’t be doing more than about 120 DPS with good skills.

Can someone run the numbers in a fitting tool?

How many charges did you start the fight with, and how many got destroyed/dropped in the kill mail?

Do you have your loss mail?

That fit is fairly strong and should have won out against (most) engagements with a Heron (as long as you know what you were doing).

Given how you talked about the engagement, I’d reckon that you simply just right click > approached the Heron, sat on him at zero (which you should never do) and then just ate all the DPS he was spitting out at you.

The Heron could have come fitted with either (most likely) Blasters or (less likely) Rockets (or both!) all three of which would have eaten you up if you were just sitting still and not moving.

The loss here, I’d attribute more to pilot inexperience than anything else. But props to you for going out of your way and trying something different.

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