So talking about 5 real pilots. Again: doing it that way might be easier than now (which is intentional, to remove 100% death rooms from the frig-choice), but you also had to share the profits among 5 people, also making it less lucrative than now. Sounds balanced to me.
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With 5 pilots you can do 3 t2 logis + 2 damage dealers. What wave can kill you with such a setup? Also very balanced.
So where is the problem? It is intentional that no wave can kill you (like no wave can kill you in a blinged cruiser) if you bring that much logi. You will also have pretty crappy runtimes if you have only 2 damagedealers out of 5 ships, lowering the profits for all of them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GK7D5mmT0k âThis Tutorial shows how to use a Pulse & Beam Retribution in T5/T6 Electrical Abyssals. They can be cleared very quickly (often under 8 minutes).â This setup is with 2 damage dealers. Now add another 2 logis and you are totally safe.
which is intentional if you use 5 ships. Like you are âtotally safeâ using a single blinged cruiser.
Where is the problem if it requires 5 omega pilots to do so? I mean you do realize that people make comparable amounts of money with 5-pilot crews in WHs for example? It isnât like we would create some magical and yet unseen low effort moneyprinter here that has to be prevented at all costs. Beginner groups will still fail from time to time, messups of a single ship can still kill your entire crew⌠but it would make frig-running a lot more attractive because not only max-pr0s can do it. Right now, not even 10% of the HighTier runs are done in Frigs⌠itâs a shame basically. Mostly because it is unattractive to do so.
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Sure all for the beginner groups 
Not for you and your corpmates.
It seems we have totally different opinions. There is no point to discuss this topic any further. Have a nice evening anyway.
Give up, this isnât for you. Let the real pilots do the job. Weâve been doing this for years, so if you want your piece of the pie, learn to fly or, like I said, step aside.
Wow that are words⌠What are you doing? Can you tell me? Are you Solo Gila Bling Bling Pilot? Show me that you do as an ârealâ Pilot master Abyss T6 with two Jackdaws in 100 Runs and die not one time.
If you can do this i will be quiet. If you cant - you see its not balanced - because a Gila Pilot can do this without problemsâŚ
Can it be that the most players here who are against a try to Balance Abyss for all Shipclasses are Gila Blingers and are scared that theyre Money Machine going to be nerfed if CCP take a hand on it in general? If you are such âprosâ than its only positiv if the Abyss gets balanced - than its more easier for you to make Money so why complainig then? What do you loose?
If CCP balance Abyss there are more Players into this kind of Content. CCP would earn more Money if there are more Multiboxers who are avaible to do Abyss and everyone who is doing as a Team with friends would also pay Money for the game or will stay in eve much longer because this Content makes fun and make the pool of Content larger.
Abyss is profitable because itâs difficult. It rewards efficiency, precision, and risk management. If every carebear could farm it safely without losses, then rewards would crash and the activity would be worthless. Thatâs literally how EVE works.
If you want safe, go mining.
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I see your point 100% but than nerf Solo Abyss. If you go Solo Abyss there is 100% Chance to survive. If you fit your Crusier well enough you will fly save and without losses. You will print ISK as much you want but dont loose anything.
So i dont see the Point why it shouldnt be the same for Duos and Trios.
So now we finaly come to the same Point. It is unbalanced and should be balanced from CCP. If Duos and Trios have to die to get the âhigh risk - high rewardâ (as you say) - Gilaâs should die too. But thats not hapen now. Gilas get â0 risk - high rewardâ (if all Pilotes have the same Skill in Abyss).
Zkillboard shows plenty of cruisers dying in the Abyss.
If you canât handle it with a 300M destroyer, try a 5B one⌠or just go mining CCP already balanced it, and they did it specifically to make sure ships get lost from time to time.
And there it is. Now its the networth of the ship and the Skill doesent matter anymore. If you are not skilled in Abyss you die with the best fitted GilaâŚ
As i also said in the last Post:
âif all Pilotes have the same Skill in Abyss.â
In the last arround 30 posts we all descused it - you need Skill in Abyss!
Back to Topic:
The thing is these Guys die in T6 - a Duo not even get there - because its not balanced. A Duo will die even in T5 or in T4 because the dmg from a Wrackingshot (and other upscaled Dmg inputs) is to high that the destroyers can handle with it.
You can put two Pilots who fly T6 Solo Gila (they also are skilled as good as possible in Abyss) - in two Destroyers and they will die in T5 or even in T4 because of the ships built in border of shield, hull and structure.
Its like CCP did the whole messurement from a sight Solo Gila Abyss and build that the same way for Duos and Trios. All the Dmg is scaled for the Gila who can Tank all this Shots and the upscaled dmg. But CCP did not the scaling for Destroyers or Frigs. The Destroyer and the Frigs has to take the Scaling from the bigger crusier and do with it what they can or how far they can (max to T5.) They never can reach T6 with the same posibilty and chance like a Gila to survive. In addition it is even more dificult to manage two Ships instead of one. You have to be more communicative you need better plans and so on.
Do you understand my problem of balancing now? Pls say yesâŚ
You canât⌠but people have been doing it for so long, both with destroyers and frigates. The problem is you want to pull it off with a few millions Jackdaw, crying about 5b Gila + 4b implants its more safe. 
I donât even use a Gila for T6 and I can run it in 8 minutes all cans with less tanking that your jackdawn, T2 modules, no deadspace stuff. Your theories are nothing but attention whoring. Stop crying about content nobody complained about for years people are out there DOING it.
Learn to flyâŚ
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To run Electricals in a Stormbringer noone needs to âlearn to flyâ, they are doable brain-afk.
Thats probably why the Filaments are so costly and the loot of lower value, so you make more money by running a T5 Firestorm than a T6 Eletrctical
And you simply donât adress his point. That is: Duo-Destroyer running is simply not attractive currently and it has absolutely nothing to do with being skilled nor not, because there are pockets you canât beat, no matter how skilled you are.
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Okay let it be Saraibah. You dont want to understand what i am try to explain all the time. You allways come with Solo content, you allways come with skill and never think about my words. As i give you a good argument you change again direction of context and missing the Point what i want to say. So aggressive all the time and yeah. Its worthless to descuss it further with you..
Thanks mate. I hope CCP will come and take a look at this descussion. I might not be the best well skilled Abysser but i see 100% clear the point that Abyss is not Balanced with two Friends who want to play in a Duo Abyss and play with Destroyers.
His point is: I canât do it with a few million ISK Jackdaw, just try it with two 3b Draugur + implants. And anyway, itâs designed to die from time to time âisnt unbalancedâ . The thing is, itâs much nicer to want to run the content with a 300M ship (120M in frigatesâŚ) than to risk 8b and get killed at the filament exit, not even inside.
Six years ago, I was running T5 Abyssals (T6 didnât even exist) by triple-boxing with three 1.2b frigates 3.6b total. But holy molly, I wish theyâd balance the content for my Jackdaw⌠or my 120M retribution. 
Youâll still die. Thats the point. Blinging is useless for a Destroyer team, because you canât beat the death pockets even with MaxBling+MaxSkill. With Cruisers you can.
He did not ask for that. He asks for a rebalance that either allows two Destroyers to run T6 without dying like Cruisers already can if you bling them enough and know what you are doing OR increasing the rewards so teaming up would actually be beneficial, which it currently isnât because both pilots would make more ISK by just running Cruiser Abyssals individually.
No, with draugur you can do it. Abyss dont need any balance at all, its perfect and profitable MORE THAN ENOUGH, were running for several years with success and now, a guy with 2 runs with a crap jackdawn come to ask for a ânerfâ.
In any case, we could talk about a nerf to destroyers and frigates, since they give too much ISK, so much that you can run them with low-cost ships, die many runs, and still print ISK.
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Aggressively slowly