OK BOOMER.
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Why is this thread making me want to park my stealth bomber cloaked in a Null mining system after server up and go afk for the day?
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Because there is super high probability that this “permanent ESS” will be abused beyond all recognition by cloakers.
I mean, it could also be like this:
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“I gotta be me, I’ve gotta be me
What else can I be but what I am”
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How? Are you unable to defend your system properly?
Karmafleet = Renter trash.
Can you give me one specific way it can be abused?
Keeping in mind that we don’t know anything about how this thing works beyond the current iteration of the ESS. I’d love to know how you arrived at this conclusion based of zero information of this new permanent ESS.
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That´s why i wrote “probability” and not “it will be”. Since this thing is planned to be permament/obligatory/whatever it kind of seems that this thing will be target number 1 after krabs themselves.
But how does that translate into “abuse”? Targeting a thing of value is not abuse, I see nothing whatsoever in this proposal that grants an unfair advantage or exploit to cloaking ships.
Get lost with your “defend system properly”. Show me a single system on a map that is “properly” protected and i will show you a system that does not exist. A bomber will always get through. © Same stuff with cloaky ships, and once they will get through - they will succeed with their mission (not in 100% of cases ofc) since they are cloaky and there is no way to tell if the guy is afk or not. Thus we have only two options: either local residents have to be actually active (and probably with more that 1 account) to defend ESS, or cloaky guy will manage to do his thing (since they choose when to engage and they rarely do that when they feel endangered), or clocky guy will somehow fai.
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Check my post to Merin_Ryskin, i answered your question there.
Edit: answered to wrong persone above but i guess you will figure out to whom.
Get lost with your “I want to farm without PvP threats”.
A bomber will always get through.
Then shoot it when it does anything but sit there idle in a safespot.
Thus we have only two options: either local residents have to be actually active (and probably with more that 1 account) to defend ESS
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!
Either be active and defend your ESS or accept that PvE payouts in your system just dropped by 20%. And if you refuse to defend your farming activities you should be glad you’re able to farm at all.
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CCP needs to stop allowing AFK cloakers from killing normal players who are actively farming content while away from the keyboard! It’s not fair that someone who’s not even playing can just roll up on you and kill you when you’re paying attention to tabbing out after manually setting your drones to automatically attack NPCs! CCP PLEASE FIX YOUR GAME!!!
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Nope, you get lost. You know why? I didn´t write about “removing pvp threats”. I´m not against drops, roamers, filaments, wh:s, i´m against mechanic that allows someone to stay invulnerable unless they decide to break that invulnerability while endangering locals. You dont know if the guy is active or not. Thus you always assume that he is unless you know for a fact that now he is sleeping (which is hard to predict because eve players are top nerds).
Can you locate a bomber before it will decloak? Or now i simply have to stay at one spot defending something from someone who may or may not be active?
About the rest - it´s not even worth quoting. As i said previously: let´s go for cloack blackout. We had 66 days of local blackout, sure we can deactivate cloaks in nullsec for 66 days. If someone quits the game - nothing of value will be lost, since they are too weak, right? Or are some people afraid to realize that a certain module is what they gameplay sosely built on? I mean: stay active or accept that you simply want to delete your targets by choosing when to attack, picking a perfect moment for this and trying to avoid any retaliation whatsoever?
So… what about showing me a single “properly” protected system?
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CCP always makes changes like this, they don’t turn out as expected, and no one (CCP or otherwise) ever learns from it. It’s going to be a mini repeat of blackout ie the hunters thought it would be great but what really happened was worse for pvp than non-blackout was.
So now instead of spreading out, people will use the blackout tactic of turtling up and only ratting in places that can be defended. Those that can’t will simply find other ways to make isk (like high sec abyss running). Or (also like in black out) just stop playing altogether.
The problem is that people don’t expect others to adapt. The pro-blackout people thought that folks would just keep doing the same thing they had been just without local so hunting would be easier. They were wrong because they forgot that people are playing a video game and can just stop playing lol
The pro permanent ESS people are doing the same thing, they think they are about to either get content from defended ESSes or get loot from undefended ESSes when in reality all they will be getting is blobbed in fortified ratting systems and bored in all the no-mans-land empty systems in between those strongholds.
And they are going to totally act like no one warned them of this lol.
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Boo hoo. Why do you need to know if they’re active? Treat every threat as an active one, don’t whine and cry about how you have to be prepared for PvP and can’t farm at maximum ISK/hour.
Or now i simply have to stay at one spot defending something from someone who may or may not be active?
Yep. Deal with it. Or just lose the 20% of your income as the laziness tax.
As i said previously: let´s go for cloack blackout.
Fine. And we can follow it with a 66 day PvE blackout where no PvE of any kind can be done in nullsec. Maybe we can follow that with a 66 day skill blackout, where no training happens and no injectors can be used. After all, if we’re going to do pointless blackouts of random mechanics purely for the sake of having a blackout let’s do some other interesting ones too!
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Fortunately there is an easy solution: massive nerfs to nullsec PvE content availability so that your ISK/hour from farming will crash if you try to put everyone into one fortress system. Alliances will either learn to spread out across many systems and create content or die in poverty.
/me knocks on door
Hello, I would like to take a moment of your time to talk to you about your lord and savior, Heavy Energy Neutralizer.
/me knocks again
Hello? Hello-oo?
Kind of sounds to me that a group in that situation has overextended its reach, since logic dictates that the space you “hold” is space that you can actually defend, and that being able to farm in systems that can’t be defended is just a misguided sense of entitlement.
But what do I know about logic? I’m just a dumb griefer, lol. Me hit club on head for make juice come out, buh!
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Idk, maybe because he can get perfect intel on me? Where am i, what i am in, what tank do i have and even roughly estimate my damage while i will have 0 idea about his whereabouts and his afk status. Hell, i may not even know what ship he is in (and this will probably be the case). Why is he allowed to get 100% of intel and i am not?
Interesting way of thinking “they have to do this, this and that while god forbid ccp somehow touches my playstyle”.
No need to follow, we had local blackout - let us have cloack blackout. Just to give CCP perfect data about what will happen and maybe this experiment will clarify some things.
Btw gotta admit one thing: i love how you are proposing to remove any and all smaller entities from nullsec by forcing nullsec alliances to spread out.
There are some things in this world that i have hard time to understand, one of them is: why do you people think that someone else (nullsec in this case) have to be nerfed into oblivion, have to be forced to do this and that while you guys are just gotta chill and simply farm kills? Dont you also have to, i dont know, put some effort?
Nullsec has been nerfed for like 8 months in a row (and massively, MER:s do not lie) and you are proposing another massive nerf? Why do you hate null? Lack of content? You are very welcome to shoot anything you can catch. Static map? It changed and will change soon again (big war and all that). So once again: why do you think that “those guys i dont like have to be hammered by ccp while my risk and effort should not be increased whatsoever”?