You have completely misread me.
I have said the exact opposite.
Most botters are idiots with only rudimentary understanding of the tools they are using They copy/paste them pretty much from obscure sources.
My point exactly, snd which I cannot see how you did not comprehend, as Ive stated it over and over, is that wiping out the idiot botters comprises the majority of botters, and leaves CCP with resources to deal with the remainder that actually know what they are doing.
Furthermore, those advanced botters, do not like to share their setups.
They dont want more botters in the game competing with them, they dont want CCP clued in on their methods, and they dont like “idiots” making profit off their work.
How can they stop it? It isn’t like somebody is going to be copyrighting this stuff and then enforce it in a court of law. “Hi your honor, I wrote this program to cheat at a video game and that guy stole my cheat codes!”
It is talking about the programmers…they do want more botters if they are selling their illicit program.
Resistant forms are ONLY a possible result of someone not completing the antibiotic regimen.
To use this analogy, CCP implementing bot prevention would kill the majority of the bot pathogen, leaving only the resistant/advanced forms, thus reducing strain on the EVE organism and allowing for subsequent focus on the remainder of those immune pathogen botters.
When you use language like, “it will obliterate most of the bot population” it sure sounds like you think it will make a major and permanent dent in the bot population…with a static one time fix.
Not going to happen. Sure you might wipe out most bots for awhile, but then the programmers will solve that problem and the bot problem will grow again…and keep on growing. No you either adapt your captcha so where even people can’t read it, or you use a different strategy.
And if all we have left are the more talented programmers making bots…
Well considering how much PLEX costs and how many people buy them…you might be surprised.
My reference to arms race was in regards to captcha…you either keep making the captcha harder and harder for a program to read…and for a human to read…or you move to another strategy. Why annoy players and instead just cut straight away to the other strategy?
For a period of time.
You have already agreed to this…why is it ridiculous.
Please. We could permanently shut down the server, there all botters defeated forever. We don’t want to use any means as some are extreme and silly. We want an effect means to keep the botting population in check.
The problem with your thinking is that the police force in your idea aren’t cracking down on a gang.
They are putting in mandatory checklpoints everywhere in the city where every single person has to undergo an ID check on their way to work, on their way to the supermarket, on their way to the bar, on their way to the sports game…
Simply to try and crack down on X gang who will be back later with bigger guns assuming they even get caught in the first place.
No, I’m saying they shouldn’t become a police state and turn away a whole lot of their actual customers with check points everywhere simply to take an action that has been proven ineffective against bots years & years ago.
No, I’m saying if all you have left are talented bot programmers then you’ll end up with future generations of bots being better…and possibly worse for the game.
Captcha suck. And it is will be quite tempting to make the captcha more complex vs. looking for a good solution like we got with PLEX.
Yeah, you have. You agree bots change over time. That is the most simple definition of evolution.
I have already said that this is not what I’m suggesting. I am suggesting not going down a path that won’t give you the results you are looking for for long and could end up harming the game.
“By any and all means” is the absurd position here.
It provides a legal way to get ISK thus reducing the demand for bots among the player base. It also reduces the demand for RMT ISK which also reduces the demand for bots.
And there is not much in terms of programming that can be done to combat it.
It will also piss off every player who is not using a bot. Who wants to log in and play Captcha Online? Nobody. It is intellectually lazy game design, IMO.
There wont be any more or less talented bot programmers left.
If they could run better bots, they would be doing so already, anyways.
This is not an argument.
Bots suck more.
There is a distinction between bots and botters. That rudimentary bots are prevented does not mean those botters will have access or understanding of how to use the next generation of more complicated bots.
You cant prove that either way.
Its not rational to state that preventing bots would “harm the game”
Bots harm the game, not preventing them.
Which you took to an absurd extreme.
Explain how PLEX can be used to reduce the number of bots in the game currently.
False.
It wont piss me off, and I’m a player.
Others here have also said the same.
Evolutionary processes work just like this though and there are plenty of examples. And FFS stop being deliberately obtuse I am not saying “don’t prevent botting” I’m saying don’t be lazy about it.
Because your position was absurd, glad we cleared that up.
I just did. Without PLEX we’d get more bots.
Look, go for the lazy sloppy way of addressing the bot issue that, in the end, won’t provide a lasting benefit. Or…look for a solution similar to PLEX which can provide a lasting benefit.
This is like Trudeau para-phrased saying “If we kill them, they win”.
The arms race between CCP and bots is ongoing.
That doesn not mean CCP shouldnt take action to prevent bots.
CCP evolves, bots evolve, CCP evolves etc.
You have a patently silly understanding of evolution.
You proposed shutting down the servers to prevent botting.
If that wasnt absurd, I dont know what is.
Re-read the question:
Explain how PLEX can be used to reduce the number of bots in the game currently.
They don’t have too because all they have to do is make their botting program available to those who want to bot.
No, it is like saying, “If we kill some of them this way, in the end they’ll become stronger and then they could win.”
Please, don’t lose sight of the fact that it was you making the absurd statement of “by any means necessary” which automatically includes the absurd solutions like the one I noted. I was not advocating that solution, but pointing out the absurdity of your position since it included absurd solutions. It is literally the zero tolerance approach which is just foolish in the extreme.
I did. If PLEX were removed the number of bots would go up in short order. So PLEX is currently reducing the number of bots.
I disagree with you. which market pries are out of range, Eve wide?
I say the system can sustain a certain persentage of bots. And I say Eves capsuleer can deal with bots if some changes are made.
Since these are mainly habits, I do not see the issue. You can Change it, by not selling on Stations. Instead use Citadells. Prepare attacks on citadells with a bot core.
You will see bots will go away if it is work to keep them running.
