Firmware Update: COMPLETE
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Why should CCP care about that? Once the PLEX is bought, CCP has the money. Whatever is done with it after that fact is irrelevant to them.
In fact, if the botters buying up the PLEX to resell is a net boon to CCP since PLEX prices are driven up, incentivizing people to buy PLEX from CCP.
You do realize the stuff people RMT goes back into the game economy…
They buy plex from the in game market and sell it via 3rd party sites to players who then use it in game - Possibly to be purchased by another RMT’r to resell the same plex again and again and again…
Each time that plex is sold and put back into the eve economy - CCP doesn’t make anything, the bot/rmt’r makes money reselling plex.
Bots in fact allow people to buy plex without CCP making anything off it… Why would you pay CCP prices for plex when you can buy it up to 50% cheaper from a Bot/RMT site?
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Absolutely correct.
That is the “dark side” of this discussion, and raises questions of “CCP complicity”.
But its a downward spiral where CCP increasingly loses control of the means of their own revenue. We dont know how much PLEX there is ingame owned by players, but CCP does.
My gut suspicion, is there is enough PLEX ingame to run the current PCU for years.
In other words, CCP is held hostage by RMT, from mass PLEX owners, as a means to sink PLEX.
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Eve forums - talking about bots
Reddit Eve forums - talking about bots
Evenews24 - talking about bots
Twitch streamers - all talking about bots especially the review of CSM minutes and lack of that content
PC Gamer - Eve bots
Now we have recorded CEO’s openly saying don’t report bots within the corp no matter what.
Exactly when does CCP start to think they have a problem?
It doesn’t matter if the problem is real or not at this point, the problem is definitely perceived, which means they are perceived as complicit.
I wouldn’t expect any positive direction this game is going until this is addressed.
I would just like to say from my over 20 years of gaming, that I have never heard another player say how excited they were to play that game where everyone bots. But I sure have heard the exact opposite.
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Biggest bot problem in the game with the biggest botting alliance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWCz3BBfmPE&feature=youtu.be this vid is posted in another thread too. Prolly followed by PL for second, and then the rest.
So I wish one of those CCP guys would come on here and show us how many of the people / accounts involved they ban, how many resources they remove from them as they state, etc.
And just listen to that dude on that vid, talk about douche bags and hypocrits. The guy is blatantly defending bots, ordering his alliance to not report bots and most likely has botting fleet or 2 of his own on the side. I’m willing to bet that’s what really got him so riled up. Someone either reported some of his bots and something got actually done about it or someone came in with an alt on another alliance and blew some of them up.
I wonder what percentage those Delve MER records are bot based. 25% ? 35% ? 50% ? 75 % ?
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This.
CCP is FUBAR.
Theres fuckall they can do really, or else see a very large proportion of their playerbase quit overnight, since for those ■■■■■■■ cheetos slobs, PEX constitutes an actual living/income.
The PLEX model relies on sunk PLEX = PLEX introduction.
Over years, this has become so skewed, that withheld PLEX grossly exceeds introduced PLEX in a year.
Heuristically, it could be deduced that the increased price of PLEX is not a result of what rate PLEX is introduced as, but rather the rate of how much much of it has been bought off the market and not sunk.
As Ive argued for years, the more PLEX that magnates buy off the market, the greater the demand as a function of the reduced supply.
TLDR: The more PLEX magnates can buy off the market, and withhold from the market as sunk, the greater the value of their PLEX stockpiles. IE: the more they buy, the more their stockpile is worth.
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So, remove PLEX, and return to subscription only, solve the problem?
Its like, nothing can literally and be reasonably done at this point.
Game is simply doomed.
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I doubt that would happen, Alliances get their rent money, Big-Time Traders can stockpile PLEX to increase prices. CCP gets paid. The only people losing out are small fry, who cares, they are replace-able. There are always new players to take their place. And there are just people who want to just fly space ships and have fun, what some big time corps do doesn’t really influence them.
And I suspect EVE Online is an effective money laundering tool since AFAIK PLEX don’t have unique ID’s so once they’ve hit the server they become virtually untrace-able. So I wonder if there are any tattooed gangsters sitting around playing EVE lol.
To go all “Fifth Element” here, isk is not important.
Only PLEX (Life in EVE) is important.
To go all “Dune” here.
He whom controls PLEX, controls EVE.
This is false on all accounts:
A) EVERYONE is losing out. Even those profiting, though they dont see it yet,
B) Small fry are NOT replaceable. They are the future of EVE.
C) There are ever decreasing amounts of new players, at ever increasing rates of attrition.
CCP does NOT get paid for re-sale of PLEX via RMT.
RMT means those criminal players buy their PLEX from the RMT source, rather than the market, or CCP, meaning CCP gets zero from that re-sale.
This means criminals are buying PLEX from RMT stockpiles, not CCP.
Hence, as I said above, RMT has wrested control of PLEX as an income source for CCP, from CCP, and turned it into an income source for themselves.
RMT PLEX stockpilers can hold their stock in perpetuity, withold from market, thus increase demand, and sell them for less cash to a criminal PLEX purchaser, rather than that client buying from CCP for a new PLEX.
See what I mean?
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Well alright Jack, however that single part of Eve’s e-thug population alone cant hold a game together, CCP knows this too, and these imbeciles probably don’t even realize it yet.
It’s pretty much the biggest irony of it all concerning these idiots, who basically end up shitting in their own cake in the end.
The more vocal this RMT thing becomes and how damaging it is to the game, the less “small fry” or future palyerbase will likely be interested in it, and we’ll all be left with a small bunch of gray and old spaceship nerds in diapers.
Edit: If I were CCP right now, and I truly cared about my game, I would strip my company’s expenses to the bare minimum, fire as many people as possible, sell all my clothes, remove all Plex and all micro transactions from the game, probably losing quite a hefty bunch of players in the process, and just slowly start back up from there.
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The powers that be in EVE, in player base, have managed to wrest control of PLEX (as on of their primary sources of income) away from CCP.
PLEX magnates control the price of PLEX ingame via withheld supply, not CCP.
The more PLEX these magnates can stockpile/withhold to raise the price ingame, the greater the value of their stockpiled PLEX.
That’s where RMT comes in.
They look at their stockpiles of PLEX and think "hmm, what can I do with these?"
Answer: “Hey, Fk CCP! I’m gonna resell them for cash!”
This is not to mention the PLEX potential ingame of such stockpiles for purposes of bribing, collateral for loans etc.
I only mention that in the perspective those players have. If this game goes down, who cares? They’ll find another game to extract money from. They had their fun.
ExCSM Pve and number crunching expert aka Gevlin aka Goblin aka blogger aka bittervet aka Riptarg teg aka Erotica1 Bonus Room slayer
PROVES CCP HAS SECRET ADGENDA WITH BOTTING BAN(LACK OF BANS)
https://greedygoblinblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/something-is-very-wrong-with-active-isk-delta/
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Maybe the theory that bot technology is more advanced is true?
I’ve read the gevlon article carefully, and translated it for you.
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- wonders how many forum alts OP has anyway *
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He misses some key obvious things. There’s going to be an overall negative average on isk delta because on average, EVE loses more people than it reactivates. There will be spikes after any news events (expansions and terrible big fights seem to be all that’s been particularly newsworthy in-client for a while), then have a lag before numbers start declining after, plus strong dips when CCP can be arsed to ban anyone. The graphs need to be overlaid with landmark events for the graphs to be particularly meaningful. Maybe if those events were normalized out, the seasonal patterns might start to show.
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As far i know Gevlon was never member of CSM, he try to do so but the ideas of his plataform ban him as a candidate. Many original thinking but normally some of his points of view are a very adequate explication with dont ignore the facts.
In this case i think the injectors, ratting and multiboxing rorquals are killing the game, more than bots.
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