I’ve done plenty of invention, thanks.
I have BPOs for the ships I wanna run invention jobs from. 
Hell I’ve probably given away more Hulk BPCs than you’ve made T2 ships.
Good luck making more than a casual profit of your random assortment of T2 frigates.
I like to do my manufacturing jobs in volume.
Well, your initial statement is still incorrect.
And if you’ve done Invention before like you say you have, then you should already know that the ME, TE or number of runs on the Tech 1 BPC has no effect on invention success or on the quality and number of runs for the Tech 2 BPC.
As for the rest of your reply, if you can’t make a profit off of these free Tech 1 BPC’s after turning them into Tech 2 BPC’s, then you’re doing it wrong.
As for your claim of giving away more Hulk BPC’s than I’ve built T2 ships, I highly doubt that, especially since I’ve been active in this game for 12 years now.
Bottom line - it’s free stuff, if you don’t want it then trash it. No reason to bitch, moan and complain about it when it didn’t cost you anything.
I never said it did.
That comment was specifically regarding new players building the T1 ship from the BPO.
Key word “build”.
No mention of ME or PE, comment is entirely about cost.
Been playing since launch and inventing since the T2 lottery ended. So what?
Whole thread is about soliciting feedback on the opinions of players on the value of these so-called rewards. I’ll complain about them as much as I want.
I said you could make a profit:
Like, maybe a few mil per ship.
I’m just going to call BS on your replies, first I checked the age of your character and you’re nowhere near as old as me.
Second, you specifically made this statement after I said these BPC’s were not worthless if used for invention.
These BPC’s are free so that right there beats out everything else.
Third, I don’t know or care where you got all those other quotes from, I never said anything about making a profit from them.
Since you’ve already posted your opinion about the rewards, no reason for you to constantly post here trying to refute and rebuke my opinion of the rewards.
These BPC’s are not worthless to those who have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of them.
if only there was some way they could make it so we could trade these items… cause armour and turret tracking would be fantastic for my active pilot. A short duration bonus to missile explosion skills, not so much lol
lets be reasonable, a person does not need to be a decade playing veteran of eve online to knnow whats going on with “daily log in” rewards. Go play essentialy ANY game thats been released in the past few years and you will get some form of “daily login” or acccomplishment rewards. Whether its a daily login and daily win req pack in halo 5, or the daily dungeon/daily quests in wow. Eve online is late to the party. At least in halo or wow you get stuff thats usefull in a blanket sense (can sell or use halo reqs, get gold or stuff to sell in wow).
Who is going to build and sell 100 t1 small blaster ammo? How does one trade/sell an apply on redeem booster?
No eve isnt special and you dont need to be a veteran pilot to see whats happening, and no the stuff being given isnt usefull or intrinsically valuable. The employee could have better served working on the 20% resist sweeping changes instead of coding daily gimmies worth 800 isk
Because nobody has multiple characters in this game?
Click on the up arrow it’ll take you to your posts.
This is what we call a straw man argument. Saving a few ISK does not beat out everything else.
Didn’t you just disavow your own posts (that everyone can plainly read)?
To anyone with the skills and knowledge they’re a waste of time. You can make far better ISK for the time investment using those same skills and lab slots. So you’re effectively costing yourself money.
You’re losing money on these BPCs you just can’t see it.
Wow an old style peen fight.
My money is on Mike.
By money I mean T1 1 run BPCs
Naw, I’m not gonna waste any more of my time replying to him, he can’t even post with his main to back up his statement of being here since the game launched. The fact that he spends a bunch of time to selectively quote and try to prove me wrong tells me he’s a troll. I already proved the BPC’s aren’t worthless if used for invention, especially since they’re free. Him saying I’m losing money on the invention mats and slots is a feeble attempt to move the goalposts.
I posted with my main. I don’t play this character anymore. I sold any older ones years ago. This one still beats you by years and undermines your argument.
None of the quotes were selective, they were just very easily undermined. It’s not trolling, you’re just wrong.
Can we at least have a trash can on the login screen so I don’t actually have to log in a character to clear the ■■■■ from the redeem window…
Where’d I mention mats?
After not getting the 150K SP on my omega accounts 
and with it still sitting in the hanger waiting 
on the fix, today I wanted to see what SP the daily login gave me.
So I logged in and for the alts some got 1500 and some 2000 SP and for the omega one got 4500 and another got 6000 SP 
Does anyone know if this is correct? 
PS. Thank you CCP for the free stuff and to those that complain about free stuff, be gratefull as over the last 16 years we never got daily items or skill points like now 
so even if the skin lasts for 7 days, that is better than nothing and a good marketing ploy to buy the skins on CCP side
lol, good for you on proving that you do indeed have an old character. Other than that, you haven’t proved anything else.
Except that you’re so desperate and will try anything in an attempt to prove the BPC’s are worthless, which they’re not.
Ive refuted every single one of your points. That’s enough for me. There’s no desperation here. The free BPCs aren’t worth your time.
You’d do better and make more ISK if you could see that. You don’t have to, it’s no skin off my nose.
But you’re the one resorting to ad hominem to support your arguments. I’ve not once done so. You made assumptions that were easily refuted. You were the one that brought character age and play time into the argument to try and support your case, not I.
The quotes I’ve used have not been altered, any text not included has not altered their meaning. Anyone who cares to can examine the source posts and the diffed edit history.
You asserted these BPCs are worth the time, I asserted they are not. Particularly in the face of owning your own BPOs which can be selected for profitability and manufactured and researched in mass for efficiency and that if you have the skills and knowledge for invention you have the skills and knowledge to maximise the use of your limited lab and factory slots.
Using these random T1 frigate BPCs is a loss in manufacture over market purchase costs. Using them in invention is a waste of a lab slot in my opinion. You needn’t agree.
Have a great day.
Unfortunately it would undermine the manufactured drugs market by flooding it with cheap, low/zero-risk alternatives.
If you want specific boosts on a specific character you can buy them already.
The whole reason these gifts are lacklustre and soulbound is that the devs recognise any other approach would have a deleterious impact on the game economy.
Dude, the only thing you refuted is the fact that you have an old character. And quite frankly I never said you didn’t have one anyway.
Don’t know why you keep bringing up about using these BPC’s for production, obviously that’s your only recourse in attempting to prove them worthless.
You constantly say doing invention on them is a waste of money yet you’re supposedly a big time inventor. Hell, after doing years of exploration and running 5x Research Agents, I have all the mats available to take advantage of these free BPC’s. The actual cost to do invention on these BPC’s is negligible, especially for older highly skilled characters.
which is kind of the problem, unless your hardcore and going to use the few t1 bpcs for higher level industry, which I’m not sure an alpha can even do, theres nothing terribly valuable coming from this entire event except the free SP. CCP could just skip the entire “daily login rewards” but keep the SP and, so far as i feel, most players would be just as “happy”. As happy as they can be that EVE is copy/pasting mechanics from many other existing games out there in an attempt to generate dail;y login numbers. I guess eve/CCP has shareholders now and things are gearing towards “metrics” instead of just making the game fun for people
Forget about daily logins, leave that to the mass market generic games that come and go being replaced every year or 2 by the next paid full cost iteration. Eve Online was special because it wasnt anything like those games. Close-to-Zero value daily login rewards is the wrong way to go. I’d bet a good chunk of veteran players feel that even “free SP” is cheapening the game, just because of the simple fact they had to do it the hard way for the decade and a half prior
Minerals I mine myself are free fallacy.
You do you man, my comments are there for anyone to read. You challenged me to produce an old character. Only when I did as challenged did it become inconsequential.
That’s moving the goal posts.
I brought up both manufacture and invention in the same statement. You’re the one responding selectively.
You’re clearly the troll here.
I pretty much agree with you here. @Aramatheia
I think there are things they could give away that can’t be player generated. Minor PLEX awards maybe. Unique permanent skins that only come from daily rewards and can’t be traded.
I don’t think there’s a perfect solution, but the current one doesn’t achieve it’s stated goal of provoking sustained logins.
Wow, what a typical troll reply, the only person moving the goal posts here is you. You keep bringing up other things yet you still haven’t proved how these BPC’s are worthless for doing invention.