People move billions of ISK in and out of Jita all the time. Also, Uedama is perhaps the last unsafe system in all of Eve. I moved blue mods through there yesterday.
okay, thanks for your reasonable explanation. I have done it myself and itâs quite funny indeed to instatackle pilots who think they are âsafeâ. Especially in WHs where they donât see in local if they are alone or not.
However its also pretty boring and I have abandoned it after not even a handful of kills. And tbh I donât even see it being used very much in our corp or alliance. So from my perspective it looks like a minor nuisance rather than a serious problem. But I can understand your point of view. I am really not sure if Bombers would definitely need the instalock ability after decloaking, since for launching bombs that isnât really nessessary and for Torpedo Fire most Bomber fleets donât really need the ability to instafireâŚ
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YES !
and what do we conclude from this?
- Ganking isnt a problem !
- act stupid and die !
- if you know what you do, then you can still move expensive !
- its ALWAYS the fault of the player who got ganked !
ANd to stay ontopic â CCP cant stop Multiboxing because they are get paid of everybody who Multibox their accounts ! If this get stopped then EvE Online tranfsormed to EvE Offline !
Again, what do we conclude from this ?
its absolutley idiotic to demand CCP to stop Multiboxing ! Its to late âŚ
Its a far throw to go from âthey do not existâ to âif they exist the problem is in other people and not bottingâ though.
Jammers and Logi only work after the fact. Fleetboosters are a good start, though its not like such a ship will be missed by the scan alt.
Not talking about the past, talking about the ever increasing problem of input broadcasting bots that are smarter than you are way smarter than CCP at hiding how they cheat.
The request is not to stop it, its to add a penalty that scales with the number of accounts so people are not running a 30 pilot bot brigade that âmagicallyâ F1 monkeys onto the one target in a server tick.
Never said âthey do not existâ. They are not a huge problem tho. They are only a problem for lazy and stupid people.
As said: We are doing HS Logistic on a daily basis with usually pretty valuable ships and except from a few sloppy dudes who brought it on themselves, Gankers are not a big deal. For sure not a gamebreaking or omnipresent one.
Jammers and Logi work absolutely fine against everything that isnât pure Alphastrike. And since most High EHP ships arenât alphaed, they are a viable solution. Fit tank on the hauler thoâŚ
And if the Gankers âdonât missâ the fleetbooster and then their âformulaâ tells them it isnât worth it, the fleetbooster has already done his job without turning on a single module. You act as if they then âsimply bring more shipsâ, which is pure nonsense, because they too are limited in chars and more ships+pilot means you can transport more before it becomes lucrative to target you.
Do you have proof for that or is that just an assumption? Fleetwarping isnât cheating, pre-activating modules isnât cheating and using window-mode to have overlapping clients isnât cheating. 99% of all so-called input broadcasting is easily explainable to that. You can even see videos online how itâs done and it works pretty convenient with up to a dozen clients.
And if you really input broadcast, you cannot âhideâ it from the serverlogs, because the timestamps of the clicks are recorded. Youâd also see on the killmails if there are ~20 Catalysts with the exact same fit and exact same skills on the chars, that they should roughly do the same damage. But they donât. Usually you see a clear decline between those who shot first and those who begun shooting a few ticks later. Yes, they use client-managing software that makes all that more convenient, but as long as you do every click on your own, thats within the game rules as far as I understand it.
I mean, if it is so common and an ever increasing problem, why donât you simply watch such a gank, record it, upload it to youtube and link the killmail where all chars did almost equal damage (+/- 20% maybe). Should be pretty easy. Then report the chars involved and CCP can look at the logs. I happily await your links.
Funny enough, yes they tried to gank me in HS before and I even noticed how they didnât all yellowboxed at the same tick and they didnât all begin shooting at the same tick. Some actually begun shooting like 2-3 seconds later than the others. Inputbroadcasing my assâŚ
You think a ganker should find 30 other people to gank a muppet?
If anyone wants to shell out $600 a month to gank me, I say, go for it!
Now before you say, âBut they can buy plex with ISK⌠blah blah blahâŚâ I will cite what I stated up there again here;
Want them to stop getting plex for ISK, do you? Stop selling it to them.
Fly safe and stay alert o7
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I enjoy selling PLEX to those people 
Iâm guessing frozen meat bag is worth no more than 75 million isk
But if you were to send so we can shim off your status then Ty would work.
so⌠if ppl are better then you then they are âbotsâ ? oO
sounds realy wierd to me ⌠otherwise YOU have to profe they are bots and then you have all rights to report them ! if they are bots they will get banned ! but as they still exist i´m pretty sure youre just mad because you cant afford 30 accounts by yourself and youre not as good as they are !
in less words â youre jealous
A bit of bad news sorry.
RNG damage calculation ? The catalysts that are shooting up the shield are going to get more DPS than those who shoot up the armour, duh.
There is a vast difference when a game has a dozen groups of 30 bums in seats doing an activity vs a half dozen people with 30 alts doing the same activity. There are entire threads bemoaning the state of ganking and how âhostileâ the game has gotten because its âso hardâ to get people to engage in the activity blaming everything to increased EHP and alpha account restrictions on red safety.
Rules can be changed. The ask is to change the rules to add in a an âon focusâ input delay.
Then why shill for the worst offenders if they are not abusing the system to start with?
Reported bots multiple times, waited weeks for CCP to do something, just killed them ( they were blue ) after submitting same evidence to my own leadership and that solved the problem with much more efficacy than âproper channelsâ did.
Iâm not saying it happens, but while multiboxing is super easy to detect, it is possible to bot multiple accounts on one computer. It takes a hell of a lot of setup, but you can have a bot running for each eve account (all omega) running on your PC. They will all independently run each account and the inputs will not be simultaneous.
Of course, no one would ever do this because no one ever breaks the rules in Eve. Iâm simply saying that itâs possible. You can even run different ships this way. They donât all have to be the same.
That would explain minor differences, but not major ones. Usually the âtanking layerâ on a ship like a DST or Freighter makes up like 90% of itâs hitpoints, so that equals out over a couple of shots.
So? Thats true in every part of the game. Ratting, Mining, Structure bashing⌠yeah if multiboxing wouldnât exist, EVE would be a better game. But its too late. CCP makes money with multiboxing and they wonât cut into their own flesh. So why keep moaning and crying about it? âNerf multiboxingâ will never happen. They even advertise with the power of alts. They want people to have 5, 10 or 20 accounts and will do almost everything in their power to make that look like a good way to play the game.
But you miss the point: A Gank always is the end of a long chain of mistakes. There are reasons why smart people donât get ganked. Itâs not luck. You can learn it. And if someone refuses to do so, he shouldnât complain.
No one will. Explained above.
It is only your personal opinion that they abuse the system. CCP seems to be fine with multibox ganking as long as no commands to the clients are automated. You can disagree, fine. You can demand changes, okay. But be realistic, that simply wonât happen. If CCP would seriously restrict multiboxing in a way that you could really feel that having an impact, they would receive such a large shitstorm, that they would need YEARS to recover (if that is even possible, because the âbetter environmentâ would have to attract new players, and more than have left because of the worse multiboxing). No business company makes such a decision if they can earn good money with their current solution.
Itâs just another of those invented âproblemsâ that is grossly over-exaggeratedâŚas are all whines here.
You invariably find that none of the people whining about ganking have ever been ganked, and none of the people whining about â100 manâ ( the latest exaggeration ) multiboxing fleets have ever encountered one or suffered a loss from a multibox fleet. Its just the chronic whinersâŚwho just have to have something to whine about in between âEVE is dyingâ threads.
Youâve obviously never been an FC and done a fleet warp. A âwarp toâ command is already broadcast to all ships in the fleet anyway and does not need any bot. A simple command to put the fleet in formation will generally lead to ships arriving at the same timeâŚthough even then there may be small differences. And the ships do not all arrive the same distance from a targetâŚwhich is a direct result of the formation or the initial dispersal. And the small differences in arrival time and dispersal mean the ships cannot all fire at exactly the same time.
Add to that the fact that unless the alleged â100 man multibox fleetâ has every single char skilled up to the same level for align time, locking speed, range, etc, etc, then no amount of botting is going to produce synchronisation.
I never said anything about a fleet warp or warping off together. This was about a low sec gank. Youâve clearly never been involved in a low sec gank. They typically hang out at a gate. Not everything is about fleet warp or warping at all. This game happens outside of warp. A lot.
But like I said- I wasnât claiming that people do it. I was simply stating it was possible.
There is an old adage that it is better to be missed by a .44 than hit by a .22.
It you are in high sec and do your due diligence you should not be caught on grid most of the time. If you are not caught on grid then a horde of ganking Kronoses (Kroni?) donât matter.
Rather than changing the rules of the game to fit oneâs game style, it is really easier to learn to play in ways that minimize oneâs risk.
(And man, the game some of you play sounds so much more interesting that the game I play. Gank fleets of a dozen marauders parked in Jita, ganking with tackling stealth bombers, systems camped constantly with the ganker menace!)
Thatâs why when I travel to Jita, I often use heavily tanked freighters that seem to trigger most PvPers. Not the T1 faction ones- but the Avalanche, Orca, and Bowhead. Massive shield tank potentials with great kinetic and thermal resistances.
Iâd certainly rather be missed by any caliber gun than hit by any caliber gun. Given the choice- miss me.
Lol. Maybe I just donât advertise what my 18 chars have been involved in. You probably wouldnât actuallyâŚermâŚâseeâ my chars in lowsec
At least not until it was too late.