This image exists for a reason.
But we’re all still here. Encourage your friend. I am curious if you’ve heard any rumblings of direct irl $ purchasing of hulls and fits out of thin air.
Why are you wasting your time arguing with the biggest shill for CCPs terrible decisions this side of… well, the hyperbolic copy that accompanies said decisions?
You know he’s virtually legally and honour bound not to deviate from the party line. And it serves no purpose for him to do so.
Its meaningless.
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A product making a lot of money, and even being popular, doesn’t mean it can’t have severe issues and large amounts of negative feedback.
You’ve done nothing to disprove that a low-seventies score is good, or even acceptable.
That depends entirely on whether or not they’ve been paid. You of all people should be well-aware of this concept.
Yeah pal, actually, they are. Maybe not Sergey-Titov-game-bad, but bad nonetheless. I’m thinking that this is your first time even browsing EVE reviews anywhere, which shows how amazingly out-of-touch you are. Or worse yet, intentionally deceptive.
A “friend,” he says.
Friend!
lol!
Your screenshots read like PowerPoint slides for new employee training at a PR firm that sells Twitter followers and Amazon product reviews by the million.
Sorry that I’m getting in the way of your $800 jeans and risk-free null-sec farming, bro.
First of all, it’s hilarious that you choose to taunt other players this way, despite everyone being aware of the fact that the only reason people like you are where they are is because of exploitative bloc-voting by massive coalitions.
Second, I’d rather self-extract all my teeth with an old-timey engine crank than sell myself out like that.
Overall, these couple of posts are going to serve as absolutely amazing public records of your shilldom.
Great job!
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Please feel free to explain where I’m “shilling” for “terrible decisions” - because the last time I checked, I’ve been pretty vocal about disagreeing with scarcity and a lot of other decisions they’ve made. In fact, I’ve been one of the most vocal about disagreeing with this stuff. I’m just not an asshole about it. Is that where I’m falling out of favor with three of the biggest forum trolls here?
You guys keep acting under some weird delusion like I owe CCP something. It’s like you’ve forgotten everything about my history with the company because something something reasons.
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Wow, that’s just… laughable. The decisions CCP’s pushed through, they’d have pushed through regardless. Often, they pushed them through over the CSM’s objections. Just ask the CSMs who are no longer under NDA, like Progod, or Sion. Give it a couple of years and ask Jin’taan. God knows he finished up his last turn livid with CCP over things they wouldn’t let the CSM put the brakes on, though he couldn’t say what they were.
The CSM doesn’t legitimize anything. They sure as hell don’t dampen public outcry. Holy crap, if they did, /r/eve’d dry up and blow away. You want to look at people to be mad at, look to the top of the pyramid.
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Well, it doesn’t need to be said because you know you do it, and everyone sees you do it, epsecially in Information Portal because when you do actually reply to anyone criticising something, its rarely if ever to agree with them.
See, you wouldn’t say a thing like that without already having your witty response all ready to go. Therefore, even though you pooh-poohed concerns about Red Dot, you made sure to say"Ill talk to CCP about it", then take the credit when its fixed like it was your idea, therefore undermining any attempt to claim what I am claiming now.
I like Arrendis far more, because even if you both may agree and disagree like normal people, she expresses it like a normal person. I can see her taking both sides into account and explaining why her view as it is. You simply hand wave criticism away.
Hell she could tell me outright lies and Id be far more likely to believe it because it makes sense the way she puts stuff, so its not a faction thing, its not anything other than 1) We know you have an NDA 2) we know you talk to CCP 3) You are never the first one to say boo about anything in public on the forums (the only place I interact with you to know to compare.
I wouldnt call you such a thing. But I dont think your particular polite about it either.
However, all thats by the by. Serenity is hardly going to change your mind or anyone elses with her seemingly random mudslinging, so why are you engaging me on asking her to back off on a too-and-fro you dont want, ot many here want, and presumably CCP dont want?
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And that feedback tends to be meaningless because the dollars being brought in speak far louder than a couple of forum trolls.
Here we go again - any time someone disagrees with you, they’re being intentionally deceptive or making things up.
Apparently you have no concept of how actual people actually communicate with each other.
This does not surprise me at all.
Those are actual screenshots of a twitter DM between a colleague of mine and me less than a month ago.
I don’t wear $800 jeans, and I don’t PvE except under duress. Anybody who knows me knows that, and since seem to know everything else about me you should know better.
It’s not taunting - I was a literal nobody before I ran for CSM and I got elected. I didn’t have a massive nullbloc behind me - I was 5th on the Imperium ballot and got no votes from the pass through. I got elected because I busted my ass and worked for it. Same as last time. Olmeca did the same thing I did, Phantomite did the same thing I did, Torvald did the same thing I did, Mike Azariah did the same thing I did - the idea that you can’t get elected unless you’ve got a nullbloc behind you is nonsense.
The real reason you won’t do it is because you’re in a tiny minority of constantly complaining whiners who can only muster the support of your fellow trolls and that’s a total of about 6 real people and their sock puppets.
It always easy to look down on something you know you can’t get and proclaim yourself above it, but let’s get real - you seem desperately unhappy that nobody is buying what you’re selling.
Again, the idea that I’m a CCP shill after what they did to me is so breaktakingly stupid I can’t believe anybody would actually say it out loud.
Are you kidding me? I have been leading the charge against the red dot for ages. I mocked it in my campaign videos last year, and have brought it up constantly. I have said from the beginning that I didn’t like it, but I also said that kind of over the top histrionics about it wouldn’t amount to anything and they didn’t - it took me busting my ass behind the scenes to get it fixed.
Arrendis is a dude, and he will FREELY ADMIT he is far more confrontational than me about everything, including conversations with other players.
The idea that because I express an opinion contrary to what someone says that I’ve not considered their position is frustrating because 1) it’s not true, and I have a long record of listening first and opinionating second and 2) I go out of my way to present ideas I may not agree with if it’s clear that many players have the same concerns.
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This community is so polarized
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No, Arrendis player is a dude, which is not something I could know, nor does it matter. But thanks for bringing that up. I dont see what difference that makes but whatever.
Never said they weren’t, I said they talked like real people, which makes them more agreeable. Its wierd, I thought politicians were like Doctors, highly skilled due to excessively good memories, no?
Of course youve considered their opinions. Youve probably done that before the thing is even announced. “What objections will be raised by this and how do I counter them” is one of the first steps in any strategy. Anyone’s opinion is formed by 1) If you think it IS a good idea, if not 2) Does it benefit me non-directly? 3) Am I compelled to agree otherwise even if 1 and 2 are untrue by an outside force.
There is no practical purpose to you saying something is wrong because of 1 if 2 and 3 are in play. Given your position(s) in EvE society, our little simulation world here both in game and in social media, its not really defendable to say you would downplay a genuinely bad short term decision that would benefit you, your faction, or the wider group you are part of (not in in-game terms) in the long term. It simply would be stupid to act against your own interests like that.
This is certainly true, because that support is beneficial. Of course, it doesnt mean you will tell anyone that you disagree personally. Nothing compells you to.
What I dont get is what advantage you see in having this conversation. For me, its a chance to rail off at someone who my sort of people are generally kept away from. An authority figure. Sure Im probably talking nonsense but it feels good to let off steam at those distant figureheads that get to make all the decisions, you know? I hope you know, that would be at least one thing we could share as people.
Also I said Serenity when I meant Destiny. My bad.
Just a cpl things…
Some of y’all do seem to have short memories. Just saying.
I could be wrong, but I suspect this person is completely delusional.
We wear the same pants, he’s not lying. They’re only $800 if you catch them on sale. Lol
Doesn’t matter if it is fake. I’ve had very similar conversations with friends expressing interest in the game.
I am still curious about the rmt bullshìt I keep hearing about though.
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Welp, so much for what I was going to say.
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Of course it’s something you could know - I knew it. If you’d ever watched Push to Talk, you’d know it too, since he appears on the show often.
You criticize me because I apparently don’t talk like regular people, and then you accuse me of some kind of mind-game style triangulation when it comes to how I respond to things. I just share my opinion when I feel like sharing my opinion.
That’s all. It’s not rocket science, lol.
I saw somebody say something dumb and I challenged them on it. And then, AS ALWAYS SEEMS TO HAPPEN, they turn it into some crusade against me personally, instead of simply acknowledging that what they said wasn’t true.
I said THAT feedback was meaningless, because the dollars demonstrate that there are still plenty of people willing to pay for the product being produced. Bad reviews of an established product that has been wildly successful seems kind of dumb to me - are you going to let some random person on the internet with an obvious axe to grind over a specific thing override what common sense says is a good product? I certainly don’t. If a thousand people write a negative review and 19,000 write positive ones and the product is the top product in it’s brand, who gives a ■■■■ what the reviews say, lol.
Sorry, that’s how adults talk to each other on social media. I guess if he’d used “ur” a few times and more emojis you’d think he was more real.
Like I’ve never read anything you’ve posted?
I’m not a Goon, so yeah - obviously.
I am anti-scarcity, because it’s bad for the game. Just like I’m against all the anti-ganking stuff I get thrown my way and have advocated against on the CSM. I’m not a fan of farming either, but I know that many players are. Nobody is a fan of RMT except the people who do it, and that’s not me either. I have no issues with ganking, I have no issues with piracy or war.
I loved blackout. Some of the best hunting we ever had, at least in the beginning. By the end it was a wasteland of nothing because everybody was hiding and waiting it out.
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Reading the comments reminds me why social media is so frustrating.
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I honestly don’t know why CCP bother making the blog response threads. I’ve been watching updates and announcements for the last 4 years and literally every single thread, no matter the content or intention, degenerates into a bittervet cry-fest about how everything was better in 2010.
I thought it was bad when I watched the forum thread announcing login freebies turn into a train-wreck of tinfoil hat accusations about “driving user metrics to up-sell EVE’s resale market value”, or some noise (my brain checked out halfway through that - too much stupid for one day) but we seem to have gone one further with this. Here is, yet again, an “update” thread about a devblog that said basically nothing of substance whatsoever, that has somehow still managed to go down the toilet in a storm of bittervet salt.
You do not need to be logged in, or even be an EVE player at all, to click the button on the end of the announcement page to read these threads. There is little doubt in my mind that dozens if not hundreds of prospective players have been in the process of reading what this game is about, came across an update blog, clicked through to the forum thread, took one look at the “community” displayed here and noped out then and there. I’m no fan of a lot of the changes CCP have done in the last 4 years (it seems to be a largely confused mess in general), but ffs there are way too many people around here who, in their burning desire to scream at CCP / the CSM / Goons / TEST / Imperium / RMT’ers / botters / anything / everything / etc., could do with adding ‘a mirror’ to the list of things to point at when they go on their next self-aggrandising whine about how EVE is dying.
(inb4 this is replied to with some form of ‘GTFO n00b!’ - yeah, great thing to add to a post about a visibly toxic part of the community driving new players away while contributing nothing themselves)
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Just make new gates between caldari and amarr space. Removing niarja was a mistake.
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Maybe they could make the gates asymmetric: anyone may enter, but you need high standings with the pirate faction if you want to leave through that gate.
You only say that because you’ve heard me yell at fleets to shut the f*ck up.
Also, because I’m basically a confrontational asshole who’ll argue about anything with anyone, anytime. 
He’s just clarifying so the use of pronouns doesn’t get weird. Seriously, Brisc’s a good dude. He’s just a lawyer, and speaks Lawyer.
For the record, IANAL, but I speak lawyer. Remember: mirroring. It’s a sales trick—you learn to talk like the people you’re talking to. When I’m talking to people in general, I talk like people in general. When I’m talking spreadsheets with folks, I speak completely differently.
Well, not completely differently. I swear like a sailor in both cases, but the forums would basically end up a solid stream of ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■ ■■■■■. So I filter.
Yeah, the problem with this is the scope of what ‘benefit […] in the long term’ means. For most of us out here, there’s no changes CCP can make to the game that we won’t take advantage of, better than the smaller, less organized groups of low/high-sec. Once you’ve seen enough of the changes, and how it impacts everything, you quickly realize that what’s in our best long-term interests is a healthy game. Anything that works against the overall health of the game means increasing the odds there’s no game for us to play out here.
Anything less? We’ll adapt, and we’ll do it better. That’s what we do.
See, this is what I mean. For Brisc—like for me—the advantage of this kind of conversation is self-evident: clear communication is always preferable to misunderstandings. Brisc might eventually wash his hands of the whole thing, but I’m the kind of idiot who’ll argue things to a nub because a)I’m more confrontational than he is, and b)I’m just the kind of jerk who loves arguing about tiny little things in order to combat miscommunication. It’s a pet peeve.
No, it’s actually more like ‘before the players even know about things, the CSM try to raise hell, but often, CCP doesn’t listen’. Like I said, talk to former CSMs who aren’t under NDA. Sion, especially, has no reason to be generous toward CCP or cover for them. They changed the rules of the CSM specifically to make sure he couldn’t run.
The point of the CSM was because CCP recognized they’d pissed people off by making easily-avoidable mistakes. How successful they’ve been is a matter for discussion, but—once again—talk to folks like @progodlegend. Ask @Steve_Ronuken. Even if Steve can’t break NDA, he can give you more of an idea of which of us is right, and he doesn’t have any need to lie.
Plenty of people talk exactly like that.
Which doesn’t actually contradict Brisc’s point. When he first ran, he was #5 on our ballot. If you look at the mechanics behind the CSM voting system, basically anything below your #3 choice is… a crap shoot, at best. There needed to be a lot of people voting for Brisc #1 or #2 to get him onto that CSM. And that wasn’t the null blocs. That was the people who saw the video and paid attention to him.
‘Appears’ is a bit much. I never turn my camera on. I don’t need to have to make my hair look awesome on a Saturday, dammit.
Nah. 2010 we were still dealing with the broken promises of Incarna. Man, I wish they hadn’t half-assed that.
What if they’re vampires, though?!?
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I dont want it to sound wierd or anything like, but I find that very agreeable.
I’m sure that out of the what, around 200 candidates we’ve had so far, at least a few were upstanding individuals who wanted to do the right thing. Overall, however, the CSM system is nothing but a buffer zone between CCP and the players that enables the former to more easily deal with the outrage of the latter.
How many CSM members drew a hard line when CCP started selling skill points directly, after saying they wouldn’t? How many CSM members drew a hard line when CCP introduced the low-power state and didn’t grandfather in existing structures? When was the last time we’ve had any outrage at all?
Okay.
Want to be friends? We can play a little game. I’ll talk to you like that in our casual messages, and you’ll count how many of them you can tolerate before you start hoping that lightning smites me from this earth.
I’ve never interacted that way with friends (not as in I never used proper grammar, but as in I didn’t treat casual banter with the formality of white-collar job interviews), nor have I observed anyone else interact that way with me or with others. Go read it again. If it doesn’t sound at least somewhat like cringy PR talk to you, I want some of whatever drugs you’re taking.
No, it’s a focus group, selected from the players, by the players, to allow CCP to more easily avoid the outrage of the players by avoiding incredibly idiotic missteps. But for it to work, they have to listen.
Ask them when they’re no longer under NDA and can’t be sued for breach of contract if they tell you. 5 years after they get off the CSM.
I’m not sure exactly which statements you find unusual. ‘That is one of its most redeeming qualities’? ‘What was he talking about?’ I mean, this is an example of my half of a convo with some friends about EVE, recently (I’ve removed their side of things because they haven’t consented to having it reproduced):
So you don’t talk to your friends that way. That’s fine. You don’t have to. But to insist that because you don’t interact with your friends in a specific way, that means that other people, with other experience and other situations, can’t speak to their friends that way… that’s just ridiculous.
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