I am glad at least some people realize this
hopefully for the newbros i hope itās not a 5Head move mechanic they are implementing to detect Bots mining the empty asteroids with high yield miners without scanning and KABAM youāre banned for botting after 1 month
Except the majority of the value of R4 will disappear with the minerals being removed from them. 50-75% of the value of R4 were the minerals and not the books.
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So now they can solo mine and watch the waste tick by?
So all thatās needed is the botās ability to create new accounts, so it gets another 1 month of venture mining?
It could be even more aggressive (to the gameās health) by crawling for friend invite codes people are publishing and just throw friend bonus rewards to players who advertise their invite code. Free CONCORD ships that bypassed the ingame manufacturing process and SP boosters for everyone 
I could imagine the reaction by CCP would be to announce that sharing your friend invite code with someone else is considered a banable abuse, while refusing to rename the friend invite bonus to alt creation subsidy
Yes, I get it. Youāre mad about your ISK.
Iām saying your response, and the response of so many players, is so totally disproportionate to losing some space money or having to adapt a playstyle.
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Why they even mining ???
Start with .
Isk ?
Mining even not first not second not even 3. Best way to make isk in this game for beginers and low skilled characters!
Fun per hour ?
How many ĆøpVP minded gamer start playing eve and quit playing because of boredom of mining and leave before see the rest of whole universe ?
Why they do new players mining before they learn how system security works , how gate mechanics works ā¦ how timers works ā¦how to insta dock insta undock ?
Before they explore around the systems ā¦ before they engage some easy pvp and die ā¦ before they engage fun and beautifull many other aspects of this game .
They turn into risk averse carebears and some of them never have courage or motivation to learn PVPā¦
Many PVP mindset people start playing EVE and they leave because of ā ā ā ā their head filled with in rookie help channels ā¦
Because of someone use their cheap labour grinding .
If this update have a little bit help to save new players from big indy null corps herding coroprations claws ā¦ so be it !
If CCP step back from this updateā¦ they will loose my all respect ! And i will loose my all hopes for the future.
That is the problem, this update is only going to make the big corps hate new players more and make new players their lives even harder. especially if god forbid they started playing eve for the economy and industry side of the game which is quite unique to eve.
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Mind putting up some numbers saying they donāt? The dev blog says t2 miners will overall mine more then before.
Let me copy/paste for the 3rd time to this same responseā¦ this has already been addressed multiple times:
The issue with this statement is that one, you are correct, it needs to be seeded, BUT, you donāt know the age of that PLEX you are purchasing. It could be 1 month old, it could be 10 years old. You may or may not remember, but there used to be a promotion that ran, that if you put in a referral code, you could get a plex and CCP would send a plex to the referral. This allowed Mega corps to stockpile PLEX (which at the time was 1 plex = 1 month of playtime) for free. Didnāt cost anything additional because the PLEX was gifted by CCP as a referral. This created a massive PLEX stockpile within the game. So once it was converted to 500 plex instead of 1, now you have corps / characters with MASSIVE amounts of plex that can control / manipulate the Plex market at willā¦ again you donāt know the age of that PLEX you are buying, only that it was needed to be purchased to be seeded, but I would advise to look back through all the sales through the years on plex.
If they get discouraged from Help Chat, they are not suitable for EVE anyway and EVE is better off without them. People who will get easily discouraged by a chat will just end up in Arenas and abyssal space and will always be asking for more protection rather than living with the free world.
@CCP_Psych One way to fix the mining missions would be to add a waste multiplier to the asteroids as well. Mission Asteroids types could have a waste multiplier of 0 (so no matter what you use nothing is wasted). You could then also do interesting things with other asteroids as needed.
The details / semantics of multi-boxing / PLEX seeding / game health could be debated until we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, we both completely agreeā¦ This patch, as the notes initially have rolled out to the community, will all but kill any new player and is a terrible idea.
The hulk and mackinaw for sure will mine more m3 per hour. If I copy paste my setup from tranquility to the test server, easy 50-60% gain in m3 per hour. However there is an underlaying issue and that is the waste mechanic in combination with the loss of minerals in R4 that will make moons worth less overall. So an individual miner will make more, but a corp who does moon mining will make less. This is of course assuming tier 2 equipment, tier 1 equipment really did not change at all. The doubling of the ores is offset by the 100% waste and the buff they get is too marginal to matter. We are talking 5% max. That 5% will be lost to compression and you will even go in the negatives for compression in a station as when you have lower tier equipment you probably do not have a fully fitted max skilled orca or rorqual to do compression in space (not to mention 50 hours to waste on compressing ore)
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so how much will this effect the ore and ice that I have already compressed ???
I like that new players can train quite fast in barges and T2 equipment to mine more than nowadays and get an advantage over older players that have a rorqual at hand.
An ORE LP store needs to be placed in high sec with more then the 2 currently available agents. Currently the only place to obtain the ORE strip miner is in NPC Null Sec.
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totally agree my god 400 million isk for an ore strip miner thats just a joke
As a casual player who has a limited amount of time to play (48 with 3 kids under 14); I feel like Iām being squeezed out of Eve online. I consider Eve Online as on of the most complex games currently available (which I can appreciate!); But complexity for the sake of complexity isnāt a good thing. This patch will bring more complexity which will result in more time required. The big thing for me is time. I feel like everything is so time intensive (except maybe exploration); that I donāt have time to do the things I want to do and these changes will make that aspect of the game worse. I spent a lot of time training 4 characters into rorquals. When WWB2 came along I switched to Orcas in HS. Now I have to train into exhumers that can get ganked in 20 seconds? I dreamed of having a little āAstrahaus in the woodsā. Cores killed that. I dreamed of having a mining fleet of rorquals to build my industrial empire. This patch will kill that. I dreamed of building my own titan from scratch having mined every ore and built every part. Industrial changes killed that. Whatās left for me in this game?
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But @CCP_Rattati says by making things worse for two years he is actually making them better. And all the players who have quit are coming back once they see what a great job he has done. 